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Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

haymarket said:
this provides evidence of my claim that Republicans are also screaming about the sequester cuts

After the Cuts Hit Them, 68% of Republicans Disapprove of Sequester
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There was no mention of any Republicans 'screaming' and, as we know, the sequester cuts were Obama's idea. Perhaps that's related to his inability to present a responsible budget.


here is more from the Wall Street Journal

Defense Cuts in Sequester Push Lawmakers to Seek Budget Deal - WSJ.com

and more

House Chairman McKeon says pro-defense Republicans will seek to reverse sequester in Syria resolution | Washington Free Beacon

there is ample evidence to support my statement.
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Actually that related to the military and was opposed by both sides of the house, as well as the majority of the American people. Most Back Cuts Overall – But Not to the Military - ABC News
 
rocket88 said:
If you're worried so much about the deficit, your hero should not be Bush or Cheney. They very much pushed the deficit and continued the disastrous deficit spending that's been going on for as long as I can remember. I won't defend Obama's record on the deficit, but clearly Bush did plenty of deficit all by himself.

If you are, as you say, worried about the deficit, why is Bush your hero? Defending him by saying he's "Not as bad as Obama" is really dumb.
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Given the choice of Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry, I chose wisely. What you fail to recognize is that Bush never had debt exceeding our annual GDP and 1 trillion of the debt charged to Bush was due to 9/11, you remember that event in September 2001 that the American people said they would never forget? Apparently you did.

You and others will do anything possible to divert from Obama to Bush. Bush isn't in office but like with all people like you results really don't matter. I would take the Bush results today in a heartbeat over what we have in the WH right now and BLS.gov, BEA.gov, and the U.S. Treasury support my position. Too bad results don't matter in your world.
 
Anything you want to give must be taken away. Those you plan to take from are those who earn it and those you plan to give too are simply those who take - without earning.

haymarket said:
My programs mandates that ALL people who earn money pay Federal income tax.
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I would support a sales tax increase. Its time the bottom dwellers contribute to the government they live off.


Conservative said:
You advocated raising the taxes 5% on all brackets. I don't support a raise in taxes on anyone already paying taxes. There is more than enough revenue available today to fund a reasonable Federal Govt. and pay down the debt.
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Conservative said:
Given the choice of Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry, I chose wisely. What you fail to recognize is that Bush never had debt exceeding our annual GDP and 1 trillion of the debt charged to Bush was due to 9/11, you remember that event in September 2001 that the American people said they would never forget? Apparently you did.

You and others will do anything possible to divert from Obama to Bush. Bush isn't in office but like with all people like you results really don't matter. I would take the Bush results today in a heartbeat over what we have in the WH right now and BLS.gov, BEA.gov, and the U.S. Treasury support my position. Too bad results don't matter in your world.
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You'll do anything to defend your hero. Why does conservatism create such devotion in it's followers? Why do results only matter to you when it's Obama, but Bush's results get sugarcoated and -- "blame the Democrats."

How's that red Kool-Aid?
 
CalGun said:
I would support a sales tax increase. Its time the bottom dwellers contribute to the government they live off.
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Tax the poor! Sounds like a winning strategy, you guys should run with it.
 
CalGun said:
I would support a sales tax increase. Its time the bottom dwellers contribute to the government they live off.
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Given the growth of poverty, the shrinking of the middle class, and the flight of money, the poor may be the only ones left to tax. Who would you suggest to make up the shortfall?
 
Grant said:
There was no mention of any Republicans 'screaming' and, as we know, the sequester cuts were Obama's idea. Perhaps that's related to his inability to present a responsible budget.




Actually that related to the military and was opposed by both sides of the house, as well as the majority of the American people. Most Back Cuts Overall – But Not to the Military - ABC News
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Come on already. :doh:roll: SCREAMING means complaining and not being happy with the situation,. And I strongly suspect you know damn well that is what it means. And I provided ample evidence of that on behalf of Republicans.
 
Now if the media would do it's job and the clueless Obamabots would open their eyes they would see that what the Tea Party people were saying about Obamacare during the shutdown lead up was true we might have a chance of turning this monster around. But that would require honesty on the part of the media and the supporters, so it is not likely to happen. Meanwhile the supporters of Obamacare are still not signing up. Speaks volumes of the integrity of liberalism, doesn't it? Obama lied, his administration lied, they are STILL lying about it, the supporters will not shoulder the load and yet the rhetoric continues.
 
CalGun said:
Anything you want to give must be taken away. Those you plan to take from are those who earn it and those you plan to give too are simply those who take - without earning.
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You do understand how taxes work?

You do understand how government spending works?
 
haymarket said:
Come on already. :doh:roll: SCREAMING means complaining and not being happy with the situation,. And I strongly suspect you know damn well that is what it means. And I provided ample evidence of that on behalf of Republicans.
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'Screaming' is unnecessary and cliched hyperbole, there was no individual named, and no, you didn't.
 
haymarket said:
It is true that ALL programs contribute to the over all budget bottom line. When anybody singles out a certain program or type of program and ignores the other and the effect they also have contributing to both spending and the deficit, they are engaging in intellectual dishonesty.

here was your statement in your own 168

The reality is that the federal government takes in enough to cover these programs without running a debt or deficit. Of course, that would mean significant and draconian cuts in other areas of the budget. And to take that position would be just as dishonest as yours singling out charity programs for blame in massive deficit spending.
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Talk to me when these programs can be paid for with no federal budget deficit. Maybe then you'll have a point.
 
Grant said:
'Screaming' is unnecessary and cliched hyperbole, there was no individual named, and no, you didn't.
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thats baloney and you know it. And you should be ashamed for asking for evidence - getting it in spades - then trying to pull this nonsense.

And where did I allege it was specific individuals? I said REPUBLICANS and I gave you evidence of that both in the general public and in the Congress. It seems that you read somethings into my statement that were not there...... or ..... you intentionally asked for something knowing I did not allege it.
 
Green Man said:
Talk to me when these programs can be paid for with no federal budget deficit. Maybe then you'll have a point.
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The point that all government spending must be considered as contributing to the budget and its bottom line is simply fact and a point beyond dispute.
 
ernst barkmann said:
i have read it......its hard isn't it when you have to argue against the founders, and you know your on the losing side...as you always are.
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So what did you find it in that you believe proves you correct?
 
haymarket said:
The point that all government spending must be considered as contributing to the budget and its bottom line is simply fact and a point beyond dispute.
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The point is that is these programs didn't require a budget deficit, then there would be no budget deficit.
 
haymarket said:
So what did you find it in that you believe proves you correct?
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well for one...... the constitution states plainly, who the congress has authority over, it list them in the constitution.

pirates -------To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;:.....

counterfeiters ---To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;...

traitors ---The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

tax cheats--the 16th amendment.....personal income tax

other than those 4 things, the congress [legislative branch] has no authority over the american citizen, in any other capacity...as also stated by Thomas Jefferson:

That the Constitution of the United States having delegated to Congress a power to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the laws of nations, and no other crimes whatever; and it being true, as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared "that the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people,"
 
haymarket said:
What makes you think that was the goal?
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PRECISELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that's why we oppose it. It doesn't solve problems, it just maintains them and creates new ones.



Your confession is accepted.
 
American said:
PRECISELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that's why we oppose it. It doesn't solve problems, it just maintains them and creates new ones.
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Additionally, it violates all the rules of common decency for one person to tell another person a) that they MUST insure their own health, and 2) what sort of insurance they must purchase.

I hold that people have a moral right to decide this matters for themselves, and it is a violation of this right to force them to do the above. I consider it an immoral law, and oppose it on those grounds.
 
Green Man said:
The point is that is these programs didn't require a budget deficit, then there would be no budget deficit.
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Are you saying that the social welfare programs you do not favor require a budget deficit to exist while other programs in the budget do not require a budget deficit?
 
ernst barkmann said:
well for one...... the constitution states plainly, who the congress has authority over, it list them in the constitution.

pirates -------To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;:.....

counterfeiters ---To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;...

traitors ---The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

tax cheats--the 16th amendment.....personal income tax

other than those 4 things, the congress [legislative branch] has no authority over the american citizen, in any other capacity...as also stated by Thomas Jefferson:

That the Constitution of the United States having delegated to Congress a power to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the laws of nations, and no other crimes whatever; and it being true, as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared "that the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people,"
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And I ask you one more time:

can you point to a single US Supreme Court decision in the last 200 plus years which agrees with your interpretation of the powers of Congress as you so described them here?
 
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