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Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

j-mac said:
hmmm...I could have swore that some time back you declared your lean as liberal on this site...Regardless, your posting has certainly revealed you in that camp whether of not you 'declare' it...So maybe when you guys are PMing back and forth on strategy on how to go after us conservatives, you should clue the rest of the collective hive in on our being a Christian based nation is a fact.

Thanks.
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Nope. Never have.

I am very pro death penalty. I stated quite clearly in 2011 that Obama should NOT run for re-election. I want the smallest government possible. I am against deficit spending in anything other than a war or depression emergency. I believe in paying our bills. I think all of working age capable of work should work. My position on foreign affairs is very close to that of Ron Paul - a noted libertarian and conservative.
 
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haymarket said:
Nope. Never have.

I am very pro death penalty. I stated quite clearly in 2011 that Obama should NOT run for re-election. I want the smallest government possible. I am against deficit spending in anything other than a war or depression emergency. I believe in paying our bills. I think all of working age capable of work should work. My position on foreign affairs is very close to that of Ron Paul - a noted libertarian and conservative.
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Ok, thank for the clarification.
 
haymarket said:
A Christian nation will not allow what you claim we should do.

And - as you know from our discussion in the past - I DO NOT approve of the deficit and the debt and want us to stop digging and start climbing out of the hole.
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Christianity teaches neighbor helping neighbor not creation of a massive central govt. that helps itself and collapses under its own weight. The only true benefit from a massive central govt goes to the bureaucrats who keep their jobs because of it.
 
rocket88 said:
From the man who uses as an avatar the "compassionate conservative" whose VP famously said that "deficits don't matter."
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Deficits didn't matter as much when the debt was less than 60% of GDP, it exceeds 100% of GDP today and you don't seem to understand the problems that creates. Glad to hear that people like you now support Dick Cheney though as apparently you believe that authorizes the Federal Govt. to put Bush spending on steroids.
 
Conservative said:
Christianity teaches neighbor helping neighbor not creation of a massive central govt. that helps itself and collapses under its own weight. The only true benefit from a massive central govt goes to the bureaucrats who keep their jobs because of it.
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True....Jesus was all for charity, however, not at the tip of a Roman spear.
 
Conservative said:
Christianity teaches neighbor helping neighbor not creation of a massive central govt. that helps itself and collapses under its own weight. The only true benefit from a massive central govt goes to the bureaucrats who keep their jobs because of it.
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And there are many ways to achieve the same end. Like it or not, we live in an age when we as a people have delegated to government some of the things that we used to do ourselves and we pay for that through taxation or fees. Helping those who need help is but one example.
 
haymarket said:
And there are many ways to achieve the same end. Like it or not, we live in an age when we as a people have delegated to government some of the things that we used to do ourselves and we pay for that through taxation or fees. Helping those who need help is but one example.
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Tell me who the 17 trillion in debt benefits? What you continue to promote is spending in the NAME of compassion ignoring that the only compassion being generated is to the bureaucrats that administer the programs. We have about 250 billion a year in debt service and that is going to skyrocket when inflation hits and it will so tell me again about that compassionate spending?
 
Conservative said:
Tell me who the 17 trillion in debt benefits? What you continue to promote is spending in the NAME of compassion ignoring that the only compassion being generated is to the bureaucrats that administer the programs. We have about 250 billion a year in debt service and that is going to skyrocket when inflation hits and it will so tell me again about that compassionate spending?
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I have repeatedly stated that I do not favor a debt if we are not in war or facing some huge catastrophe like the great depression. I favor paying for it.

Do you favor paying for it?
 
haymarket said:
I have repeatedly stated that I do not favor a debt if we are not in war or facing some huge catastrophe like the great depression. I favor paying for it.

Do you favor paying for it?
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Yes, I also favored shutting down the govt. to prevent the debt ceiling from being increased when that debt ceiling was 14.9 trillion. The way to pay off the debt is to grow our way out of it by cutting spending and encouraging private sector economic growth, eliminating Obamacare and returning all social programs excluding Medicare and SS to the states where they belong.
 
haymarket said:
I have repeatedly stated that I do not favor a debt if we are not in war or facing some huge catastrophe like the great depression. I favor paying for it.

Do you favor paying for it?
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How? We are borrowing something like .60 cents of every dollar we spend....Where does the money come from? What would you cut to pay for what you are borrowing for now?
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I also favored shutting down the govt. to prevent the debt ceiling from being increased when that debt ceiling was 14.9 trillion. The way to pay off the debt is to grow our way out of it by cutting spending and encouraging private sector economic growth, eliminating Obamacare and returning all social programs excluding Medicare and SS to the states where they belong.
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Sadly, we do not know if those methods will produce the desired results.
 
haymarket said:
I substantiated my post with fact in 151. You responded with your usual personal vitriol.
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There's nothing pragmatic about banning guns, it's a purely emotional position. This is true with most of your positions. Beyond that, your positions are almost exclusively from fringe left wing rags.

Pragmatic? BS
Independent? BS
Well-researched? BS
Interpretation of constitution? BS

I rest my case.
 
I wish you wouldn't imagine that freezing the debt cieling means shutting down the govt. The govt enjoys almost $3 trillion of income - the only thing shut down is the $700 billion "more" it wants to spend that it wouldn't be able too any longer.


Conservative said:
Yes, I also favored shutting down the govt. to prevent the debt ceiling from being increased when that debt ceiling was 14.9 trillion. The way to pay off the debt is to grow our way out of it by cutting spending and encouraging private sector economic growth, eliminating Obamacare and returning all social programs excluding Medicare and SS to the states where they belong.
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j-mac said:
How? We are borrowing something like .60 cents of every dollar we spend....Where does the money come from? What would you cut to pay for what you are borrowing for now?
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I would do several things:

1- cut at least $500 billion from the current spending including some military spending, some foreign spending, some welfare spending, and other areas.
2- raise the income taxes of ALL earners a full five points across all tax brackets
3- tax ALL money coming into a persons pocket or accounts using the regular income tax schedule
4- mandate that a certain portion of this amount be used to reduce the deficit annually
 
ecofarm said:
There's nothing pragmatic about banning guns, it's a purely emotional position. This is true with most of your positions. Beyond that, your positions are almost exclusively from fringe left wing rags.

Pragmatic? BS
Independent? BS
Well-researched? BS
Interpretation of constitution? BS

I rest my case.
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You have no case to rest as you failed to quote any position I have ever taken.

Your personal crusade is getting a bit sad to watch unfold.
 
haymarket said:
And there are many ways to achieve the same end. Like it or not, we live in an age when we as a people have delegated to government some of the things that we used to do ourselves and we pay for that through taxation or fees. Helping those who need help is but one example.
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Should not be done by the federal government. The failure of administering something as personal as charity at the federal level is evidenced by the massive deficit spending required to do so.
 
haymarket said:
Checks... cash ... services ... food cards ...... contracts ..... entitlements ..... its all money collected from people and going to people. To pretend otherwise is simply denial of reality.
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Except for the middleman, the bureaucracy and the politicians, who take a huge cut along the way. What percentage of those tax dollars taken in actually reach the people for whom they were designed?

People should help people more directly.
 
haymarket said:
Sadly, we do not know if those methods will produce the desired results.
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The desired results today are going to take some tough love and some are going to be hurt in the short term. Politicians aren't willing to do what is necessary to get this country back on track and return the trait of personal responsibility back to the people. Some people are going to fail but that happens in a free society, people are free to make the choice that leads to failure. That is what made this country great, not the entitlement society we have today.
 
CalGun said:
I wish you wouldn't imagine that freezing the debt cieling means shutting down the govt. The govt enjoys almost $3 trillion of income - the only thing shut down is the $700 billion "more" it wants to spend that it wouldn't be able too any longer.
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Of course I understand that, my point was I wouldn't have voted to extend the debt ceiling when it was 14.9 trillion. We are on the same page.
 
haymarket said:
I would do several things:

1- cut at least $500 billion from the current spending including some military spending, some foreign spending, some welfare spending, and other areas.
2- raise the income taxes of ALL earners a full five points across all tax brackets
3- tax ALL money coming into a persons pocket or accounts using the regular income tax schedule
4- mandate that a certain portion of this amount be used to reduce the deficit annually
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The federal government doesn't even have a budget, and hasn't had one for a while. Without a budget it's just difficult to plan, program or cut what's unnecessay. No family, business or nation can ever progress without a budget and with a clear understanding of income and expenses.

Now the government just prints or borrows money when they feel they need it and, as well, is encouraging the populace to take more government money. This house of cards cannot last.
 
haymarket said:
I would do several things:

1- cut at least $500 billion from the current spending including some military spending, some foreign spending, some welfare spending, and other areas.
2- raise the income taxes of ALL earners a full five points across all tax brackets
3- tax ALL money coming into a persons pocket or accounts using the regular income tax schedule
4- mandate that a certain portion of this amount be used to reduce the deficit annually
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I have no problem with the spending cuts but you don't grow your way out of this massive debt by increasing taxes at all. What you do is force every American that earns income to pay something in net Federal Income taxes. Less than 50% of the people earning income now have a net income tax payment to the Federal Govt. Increasing taxes on those who pay taxes now isn't the answer, growth is
 
Green Man said:
Should not be done by the federal government. The failure of administering something as personal as charity at the federal level is evidenced by the massive deficit spending required to do so.
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All government spending contributes to the deficit. To single one area or one program out is intellectually dishonest.
 
Grant said:
Except for the middleman, the bureaucracy and the politicians, who take a huge cut along the way. What percentage of those tax dollars taken in actually reach the people for whom they were designed?

People should help people more directly.
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How much does that account for?
 
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