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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    And which of those sections you cited makes any state able to legally violate federal law?
    That is a really nonsensical question. Why should any level of any government be allowed to violate the law?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was describing the idea that you discussed of a state leaving the union if it becomes unhappy. That is the nonsense I was referring to.

    here it is in your words

    And declaring that any State may, if it determines that continued membership in the compact is no longer serving its interests, unilaterally withdraw from the compact

    That was tried already. It failed. Move on already.
    Yes, that the gist of an amendment I said the states might consider passing. Are you saying that such an amendment has already been ratified? Because I don't see such an amendment in my copy of the constitution.

    But if you want to insist on a new amendment, please show us public support for treason and you may have a chance at it passing.
    If an amendment were ratified that recognized a states power to peacefully and unilaterally leave union, then any state exercising that legal option would not be committing treason. They would be acting in a constitutional manner.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is a really nonsensical question. Why should any level of any government be allowed to violate the law?
    They aren't. No level of government is allowed to violate federal law. That is why I said that the federal government governs every person, village, town, city, county, and state. It governs in the sense that it can make a law that every person, village, town, city, county, and state MUST obey. That is the nature of government, no? The government is the entity that makes the law for everyone else?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Yes, that the gist of an amendment I said the states might consider passing. Are you saying that such an amendment has already been ratified?
    see post 839 where this was made very very very clear to you.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    They aren't. No level of government is allowed to violate federal law. That is why I said that the federal government governs every person, village, town, city, county, and state. It governs in the sense that it can make a law that every person, village, town, city, county, and state MUST obey. That is the nature of government, no? The government is the entity that makes the law for everyone else?
    Let me guess? This is yet another one of your big super secret revelations about government that is suppose to scare the hell out of every citizen when they realize that all Americans have to obey the law.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    see post 839 where this was made very very very clear to you.
    Right. No such amendment has been passed. Previously, some states tried to leave the union without such an amendment, and the federal government declared their actions illegal.

    However, with such an amendment in place, a state peacefully leaving the union would could not be construed as treason, since it would be entirely constitutional and legal.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Let me guess? This is yet another one of your big super secret revelations about government that is suppose to scare the hell out of every citizen when they realize that all Americans have to obey the law.
    There's no need to be scared of our wise and beneficent overlords. If you're not doing anything they regard as wrong, you have nothing to fear from their drones.

    And the supremacy clause is not a secret at all. It is a well known and long established legal fact of our government that is laid out clearly in the constitution.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Right. No such amendment has been passed. Previously, some states tried to leave the union without such an amendment, and the federal government declared their actions illegal.

    However, with such an amendment in place, a state peacefully leaving the union would could not be construed as treason, since it would be entirely constitutional and legal.
    An while you prepare for that you may want to alert Atlatna, Georgia about a possible two feet of snow in July as there is just as much chance of that happening as your amendment making treason legit.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    There's no need to be scared of our wise and beneficent overlords. If you're not doing anything they regard as wrong, you have nothing to fear from their drones.

    And the supremacy clause is not a secret at all. It is a well known and long established legal fact of our government that is laid out clearly in the constitution.
    Yeah - we get it - this is more of your doomsday nightmare scenario and you don't have the slightest suggestion as to what to do about it.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yeah - we get it - this is more of your doomsday nightmare scenario and you don't have the slightest suggestion as to what to do about it.
    It's not my scenario. It is the constitution. Everybody knows about the supremacy clause, except you, evidently.

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