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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Without the 17th, politics as we know it today wouldn't exist. The government would be more mangable and the states more say in how they run their own state. It would be a curb on the central government which no longer exists. The best interests of the states would be at the forefront in the senate and not so much party agendas and politics.
    It might be in the states interest to pass an amendment clarifying their relationship with the federal government, namely, that the federal government was created by them to serve their interests. And declaring that any State may, if it determines that continued membership in the compact is no longer serving its interests, unilaterally withdraw from the compact.

    Now obviously, there are many advantages to belonging to this compact, so states wouldn't leave over any trivial matter, but until the federal government realizes that any state can legally walk away it will always act in a tyrannical manner.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    It might be in the states interest to pass an amendment clarifying their relationship with the federal government, namely, that the federal government was created by them to serve their interests. And declaring that any State may, if it determines that continued membership in the compact is no longer serving its interests, unilaterally withdraw from the compact.

    Now obviously, there are many advantages to belonging to this compact, so states wouldn't leave over any trivial matter, but until the federal government realizes that any state can legally walk away it will always act in a tyrannical manner.
    I get the feeling that many States are working behind the scenes on that problem now. A lot could depend on them succeeding.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    There are many subdivisions, and the federal government grants a degree of autonomy to these subdivisions. But the federal government retains supremacy over every person, village, town, city, and state.
    The Constitution says otherwise.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    It might be in the states interest to pass an amendment clarifying their relationship with the federal government, namely, that the federal government was created by them to serve their interests. And declaring that any State may, if it determines that continued membership in the compact is no longer serving its interests, unilaterally withdraw from the compact.

    Now obviously, there are many advantages to belonging to this compact, so states wouldn't leave over any trivial matter, but until the federal government realizes that any state can legally walk away it will always act in a tyrannical manner.
    We went through that nonsense once before. Again - your side lost.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : The 17th amendment was passed in 1913, when Democrats had the majority in the Senate, although both parties had spent years trying to get it passed. States lost a lost of their rights when this amendment was added, and critics have argued for its repeal ever since. Our Federal government has since grown by leaps and bounds, which was not what the Framers of our Constitution had in mind, IMO. In fact, the Federal government had very few duties listed in the Constitution...most power was given to the individual States prior to this, which makes sense.

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    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Constitution says otherwise.
    Where exactly does it say otherwise?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We went through that nonsense once before. Again - your side lost.
    Really, an amendment such as I described was already passed? What amendment number is it?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Where exactly does it say otherwise?
    Perhaps your copy is not broken down into Articles?

    The first three deal with the various branches of the federal government. Article IV deals with the states. You may want to read that. Then we have the Tenth Amendment. You should read that also.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Really, an amendment such as I described was already passed? What amendment number is it?
    I was describing the idea that you discussed of a state leaving the union if it becomes unhappy. That is the nonsense I was referring to.

    here it is in your words

    And declaring that any State may, if it determines that continued membership in the compact is no longer serving its interests, unilaterally withdraw from the compact
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    That was tried already. It failed. Move on already.

    But if you want to insist on a new amendment, please show us public support for treason and you may have a chance at it passing.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps your copy is not broken down into Articles?

    Th3 first three deal with the various branches of the federal government. Article IV deals with the states. You may want to read that. Then we have the Tenth Amendment. You should read that also.
    And which of those sections you cited makes any state able to legally violate federal law? Are you unfamiliar with the supremacy clause. The federal government makes the supreme law of the land.

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