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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tell me exactly what the GOP prevented from happening that caused what we had in 2009-2011? You buy what you are told and ignore actual reality. Your opinion is nothing more than an opinion based upon ignorance. I want to see what austerity programs prevented 2-3 million jobs from being created? Did those shovels ever arrive for those shovel ready jobs?
    No you're being obtuse. Cutting spending, shutting down the government, holding the debt ceiling hostage...all those things are nub killers. Quit playing dumb.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    I suppose it depends on to which benefits you were referring when you said this:



    I took it to mean benefits provided by the government, which is what I was suggesting that a person might forego. I think it might be possible for a person to not accept anything from the government.
    And it has already been pointed out to you that it is not because you would enjoy the protection of the American governments military.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    And it has already been pointed out to you that it is not because you would enjoy the protection of the American governments military.
    Earlier you used the word "accept", but now you are using the word "enjoy". There are different implications two the two different words.

    But the point is moot anyway, due to The Mark's answer. The government claims the right to control over the territory and all people in it. So as long as you are in their territory, the government will not allow you to opt out of the voluntary association.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    No you're being obtuse. Cutting spending, shutting down the government, holding the debt ceiling hostage...all those things are nub killers. Quit playing dumb.
    Who does a 17.1 trillion dollar debt benefit? You have no idea what the four components are of GDP and what percentage they contribute. "Your" President has put Bush spending on steroids and we have 3 million fewer people working today than when the recession began yet you want to blame Republicans? How typical. By the way, how much debt is acceptable to you since obviously exceeding our annual GDP isn't the number?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Earlier you used the word "accept", but now you are using the word "enjoy". There are different implications two the two different words..
    Yeah like six and half a dozen and two times three or half of twelve or eight minus two.

    But the point is moot anyway, due to The Mark's answer. The government claims the right to control over the territory and all people in it. So as long as you are in their territory, the government will not allow you to opt out of the voluntary association.
    Baloney the point is moot. There is much more to this that just the tiny slice that you accept because it fits into your belief system. So stop with the intellectual fraud of only accepting the answer that pleases you. the Mark pointed out to you that your fantasy was BS no matter what the government rules are since you would be benefitting from military government protection.

    So you fail.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yeah like six and half a dozen and two times three or half of twelve or eight minus two.



    Baloney the point is moot. There is much more to this that just the tiny slice that you accept because it fits into your belief system. So stop with the intellectual fraud of only accepting the answer that pleases you. the Mark pointed out to you that your fantasy was BS no matter what the government rules are since you would be benefitting from military government protection.

    So you fail.
    Well, The Mark does have a good point. A person in the middle of the country would indeed be benefiting from military protection. I wonder what would happen if a person bought some land on the border and then said, "okay, I'm leaving the association, and you don't need to defend my territory if you don't want to. Just defend your territory." Do you think the voluntary association would allow that?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Because the association controls a physical area in which they apply their rules.
    Right. "They" apply "their" rules and under those circumstance no man can remain free. You appear to be a party to this protection racket.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Well, The Mark does have a good point. A person in the middle of the country would indeed be benefiting from military protection. I wonder what would happen if a person bought some land on the border and then said, "okay, I'm leaving the association, and you don't need to defend my territory if you don't want to. Just defend your territory." Do you think the voluntary association would allow that?
    As long as you are the hell out of the country - you are out of the country just like I have been saying all day long. But don't take my word for it - You would have to check with the angels guarding that section of fantasyland to see if they approve.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As long as you are the hell out of the country - you are out of the country just like I have been saying all day long. But don't take my word for it - You would have to check with the angels guarding that section of fantasyland to see if they approve.
    I'm not talking about leaving. Let's say there was a person living somewhere on border, inside the border. Say, for example, on the coast of Maine. Let's say that he said, "Okay, I'd like to leave this voluntary association of ours, and I understand I'm giving up the benefits that I had under the association. And I don't expect the military to protect me and my land. Just defend your land, but you don't have to defend mine."

    This person then truly might be giving up all the previous benefits that were associated with his previous membership in the voluntary organization.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Exactly. It would be impossible to live here without enjoying a single benefit of being a resident of the USA.
    But as a free person these can 'benefits' you never applied for or wanted. And they are also breaking the nation.

    Did the Constitution ever clam that DC should be supplying 'benefits' such as food stamps, or funding cowboy poetry concerts?? It seems their role was made quite clear from the outset.

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