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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You would do that no matter what I said. I just realized you shot yourself in the foot, you said: "Dollar amounts were greater at the top because that's where the money is, and so little was being paid further down the scale." Tax cuts for the rich. :
    No one ever disputed that dollar amounts were more at the top; it's the top, after all. That situation was created, ironically, by the firmly progressive tax code. There was more room for cuts at the top; the bottom was already paying very little. After the cuts they paid nothing.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    Because the association controls a physical area in which they apply their rules.
    Finally. Thank you, The Mark.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    But if it is a voluntary association, why can't one just leave the association and all its benefits but remain where he lives?
    Explain how one lives in the USA and does not enjoy even a single benefit of that residence.

    This goes much much deeper than any mere control of rules.

    But tell us how you would still reside in the USA and not enjoy one benefit of doing so. This should be interesting.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    Explain how one lives in the USA and does not enjoy even a single benefit of that residence.
    The Mark answered my question, so I'm good now. Thanks.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No one ever disputed that dollar amounts were more at the top; it's the top, after all. That situation was created, ironically, by the firmly progressive tax code. There was more room for cuts at the top; the bottom was already paying very little. After the cuts they paid nothing.
    Bull.


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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    The Mark answered my question, so I'm good now. Thanks.
    Actually he only covered one tiny part of it. And this is NOT about who controls the rules. If you try to make it about that and ONLY THAT you are engaging in blatant intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

    So tell us how one can live in the USA without enjoying a single benefit of living here.

    Lets here it.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Explain how one lives in the USA and does not enjoy even a single benefit of that residence.

    This goes much much deeper than any mere control of rules.

    But tell us how you would still reside in the USA and not enjoy one benefit of doing so. This should be interesting.
    *strokes nonexistent beard*

    Well, in theory, if you lived way out in a wilderness, in some dwelling which you furnished/built yourself, grew/hunted your own food, and had no contact with the outside world...

    Yeah....unlikely.

    Edit: And besides which, you would still enjoy the benefits of the military protection of the entire country...
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Bull.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    *strokes nonexistent beard*

    Well, in theory, if you lived way out in a wilderness, in some dwelling which you furnished/built yourself, grew/hunted your own food, and had no contact with the outside world...

    Yeah....unlikely.

    Edit: And besides which, you would still enjoy the benefits of the military protection of the entire country...
    Exactly. It would be impossible to live here without enjoying a single benefit of being a resident of the USA.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually he only covered one tiny part of it. And this is NOT about who controls the rules. If you try to make it about that and ONLY THAT you are engaging in blatant intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

    So tell us how one can live in the USA without enjoying a single benefit of living here.

    Lets here it.
    I suppose it depends on to which benefits you were referring when you said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When one enters a voluntary association like living in a nation of their choice, they accept all the benefits and all the responsibilities and duties that the nation offers and demands. If you do not like that, you are free to go elsewhere.
    I took it to mean benefits provided by the government, which is what I was suggesting that a person might forego. I think it might be possible for a person to not accept anything from the government.

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