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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    So earlier you were talking about people voluntarily joining a larger group. Now you mention the word "nation". Would you consider a nation to be such a group? Assuming you do, if one decides to quit that group, why do you seem to imply that one would then be required to abandon his current residence?
    YOu willingly chose to live in the USA. As such you accept the USA with all its benefits and obligations. If you decide you can no longer do that, then exercise your right to chose something else.

    you seem caught in a constantly repeating loop. Nine pages ago you were told this

    Participation in the USA is a purely voluntary act. Unlike some other nations which make it very difficult if not impossible to leave, we do not do that in the USA.

    Were you sentenced to live here as some punishment for a crime? Are you being kept here against your will? Are you being prevented from exercising your ultimate freedom of choice to decide where you will live?

    Please correct me but I was under the impression you lived in the USA of your own free will.
    and now despite page after page after page after page after page of detailed explanation you are right back where you started.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Participation in the USA is a purely voluntary act.
    Are you claiming that a person is free not to participate if he chooses?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    YOu willingly chose to live in the USA.
    You make a lot of assumptions.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Wrong, the amount of taxes paid by the individual is the same whether or not the lower incomes pays taxes. What changes when the lower incomes are eliminated, is the percentage of the total of all taxes the individual pays. I think that's what your talking about.
    A discussion of progressive taxation is a discussion of comparative tax burdens, with higher incomes paying a progressively higher rate of income tax. The GWB tax cuts eliminated the tax burden for many in the bottom 50% of earners, and thereby made the system more progressive.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    A discussion of progressive taxation is a discussion of comparative tax burdens, with higher incomes paying a progressively higher rate of income tax. The GWB tax cuts eliminated the tax burden for many in the bottom 50% of earners, and thereby made the system more progressive.
    Do you agree that the higher incomes paid the same taxes whether or not the bottom 50% of earners were relieved of paying taxes?


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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you agree that the higher incomes paid the same taxes whether or not the bottom 50% of earners were relieved of paying taxes?
    Yes, I suppose I would.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you agree that the higher incomes paid the same taxes whether or not the bottom 50% of earners were relieved of paying taxes?
    Do you care more about the rates or the dollars paid? Would love to hear your definition of progressive if paying a higher percentage of the taxes isn't progressive?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    JFK, Conservative

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    grew up a JFK Democrat and although very young his vision for America is much different than today's Democratic Party. Here is what you miss and continue to miss because you cannot apply basic economics in your own life.

    As Ira Stoll convincingly argues, by the standards of both his time and our own, John F. Kennedy was a conservative. His two great causes were anticommunism and economic growth. His tax cuts, which spurred one of the greatest economic booms in our history, were fiercely opposed by his more liberal advisers. He fought against unions. He pushed for free trade and a strong dollar. And above all, he pushed for a military buildup and an aggressive anticommunism around the world. Indeed, JFK had more in common with Ronald Reagan than with LBJ

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, I suppose I would.
    Good answer. In a progressive tax system income brackets are created and marginal rates are assigned to each of those brackets. Those rates are only applied to the income for each bracket, the total tax paid is the sum of all the applicable brackets. So if the Bush tax cuts was progressive the individual would be paying more, but we know they paid less.


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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Good answer. In a progressive tax system income brackets are created and marginal rates are assigned to each of those brackets. Those rates are only applied to the income for each bracket, the total tax paid is the sum of all the applicable brackets. So if the Bush tax cuts was progressive the individual would be paying more, but we know they paid less.
    Sorry, but no. Under the GWB tax cuts the high earners paid a higher percentage of the total tax burden. The system was thereby made more progressive.
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