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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is always interesting to see how the far right finds ways to renege on promises to the people.
    It's the left making promises they cannot possibly keep or politicians making promises in order to get elected, left or right. There's a tragedy arriving for those people not familiar with the concept of planning for their own future. Short Stories: The Ant and the Grasshopper by Aesop

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Tell us how many people who have fulfilled their end of the bargain have not gotten their promised benefits in the last 80 years. But now the far right wants to screw them all.
    That's when the boomers were young and contributing tax revenues. But now the boomers are expecting all the gravy they were promised but where is that money going to come from? George Bush recognized the inevitable dilemma but was shouted down by the Democrats for being a fear-monger, that everything is in place. They said the same thing about the housing market, remember?

    It's all about demographics.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    That's an unquantifiable number. Lots of Blacks were never issued social security numbers and so when it became time to collect they simply could not. Of course, at the early onset of the program there were plenty of people who also collected benefits without ever paying.

    Every time you talk about "promised benefits" it's an appeal to the sunk cost fallacy.

    If it's really a savings system like you claim then it can be ended today, and everyone who has paid into the system can get their money back. If it's a pyramid scheme then it cannot be ended because the people collecting benefits didn't contribute to any sort of worthwhile fund at all.

    Also whether it runs out of money in 2015, 2030, or 2221 if it were really a savings system like you claim then it would be impossible to run out of money at all.
    O have never head this story about Blacks and no cards. Can you provide some evidence for that?

    People were NOT promised their money back. That was NOT the commitment.

    Where did I say this was a savings system?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We had that debate.

    Your side lost.
    So you take the position that the government ought to be handing taxpayer money to people. And you consider it ethical to take one person's money in order to give it to another?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Did we? Can you point to the Constitutional Amendment that allows such a horrible, tyrannical thing? Do you believe it is okay because we have been doing this for a long time?
    This site will allow you to read the law on Social Security. No amendment was necessary.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Certainly. I believe all commitments should be honored. But in the case of governments, changing administrations, unforeseen circumstances and massive spending and debt, I don't believe they can honor their commitments.
    Why would they not be able to do that?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    They are here voluntarily and they understand the rules and they stay just the same. Yes - they are exercising free choice.
    I see. So they didn't actually voluntarily enter into the commitment. Thank you for clarifying.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's the left making promises they cannot possibly keep or politicians making promises in order to get elected, left or right. There's a tragedy arriving for those people not familiar with the concept of planning for their own future. Short Stories: The Ant and the Grasshopper by Aesop
    Why can't the promises be kept?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    I see. So they didn't actually voluntarily enter into the commitment. Thank you for clarifying.
    You are wrong. I told you very clearly their participation in the USA and its programs is entirely voluntary and they can leave at any time they desire.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's when the boomers were young and contributing tax revenues. But now the boomers are expecting all the gravy they were promised but where is that money going to come from? George Bush recognized the inevitable dilemma but was shouted down by the Democrats for being a fear-monger, that everything is in place. They said the same thing about the housing market, remember?

    It's all about demographics.
    The money comes from taxation - as does all government revenues.
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