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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you would not have us honor our commitments to the American people who honored theirs and fulfilled their part of the bargain?
    It's hard to get people to stop feeding at the trough. It wasn't a commitment. Anyone who worked a job was forced against their will to contribute.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Of course they didn't. You seem to be confused between the government paying people with taxpayers dollars and companies creating jobs without taxpayer dollars.

    If jobs was all there is to it then the government could hire 20 million people today and there would be full employment. You reckon that would work?
    No, I'm not confused all, maybe we are communicating.. I'm simply saying that if it were not for the Federal government and it's investment in space, we would not have the millions of jobs in the various technologies today. Years ago Senator Al Gore created a bill that appropriated money which was used to take a military system and converting it to the internet.


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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your phrase "simply hand out tax revenues" implies that a person does not deserve those revenues and has not earned them. That is not the case with Social Security. Not only is that not robbery but it is not what you describe either.

    Or don't you believe in both parties honoring their commitments to each other?
    It's legit for the government to collect taxes to cover the costs of governing. But for it to collect taxes for the sake of handing out money is too close to outright theft for me to consider it ethical.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When people voluntarily join with others in a group endeavor they automatically agree to give up some of their wants and needs and autonomy for the benefits of the group. Your membership and participation is purely voluntary and you can change that at any time you may wish.
    The CSA would disagree with you.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That is an incoherent post.
    The point is there would be less people paying taxes.


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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    When Social Security was first enacted, were the people collecting getting a payback on a loan? No they were not.
    Perhaps, but for the generations that followed that was indeed the case. Btw, the first recipient got a check for a whopping $22.40.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    It's hard to get people to stop feeding at the trough. It wasn't a commitment. Anyone who worked a job was forced against their will to contribute.
    Yep, forced contribution to the general fund.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The point is there would be less people paying taxes.
    Well, no. There would be fewer people, period. Has nothing to do with a progressive tax regime. Still incoherent.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Perhaps, but for the generations that followed that was indeed the case. Btw, the first recipient got a check for a whopping $22.40.
    Which in todays dollars would be an astounding 473 today. Not bad considering Mae Fuller didn't pay a cent into the program.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is not at all the case with Social Security as people enter into a commitment with the government and pay a certain amount set by the government for over forty years and in return receive an amount back based on their pay in.
    "Enter into a commitment", huh? You make it sound as if this is something that people choose voluntarily.

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