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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Agreed. I just don't agree that it is right for the government to simply hand out tax revenues to individuals. It seems too similar to ought right theft.
    Your phrase "simply hand out tax revenues" implies that a person does not deserve those revenues and has not earned them. That is not the case with Social Security. Not only is that not robbery but it is not what you describe either.

    Or don't you believe in both parties honoring their commitments to each other?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Are you telling me, the space program, the military industrial complex, the internet didn't create any jobs or wealth? LMMFAO
    Of course they didn't. You seem to be confused between the government paying people with taxpayers dollars and companies creating jobs without taxpayer dollars.

    If jobs was all there is to it then the government could hire 20 million people today and there would be full employment. You reckon that would work?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is not the case with Social Security. Not only is that not robbery but it is not what you describe either.
    Actually it is precisely the case with Social Security and Medicare too. People who succumb to the "sunk cost fallacy" engage in mental backflips to justify continuing to pay into Social Security.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Of course they paid less. It was a tax cut. But they did not escape their income tax obligation, whereas many at the bottom were relieved of their burden, thereby making the tax code more progressive.
    Sorry, you can only count the people who are paying taxes. According to your definition, if a city was wiped out by H-bomb that would be a progressive tax cut.


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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Actually it is precisely the case with Social Security and Medicare too. People who succumb to the "sunk cost fallacy" engage in mental backflips to justify continuing to pay into Social Security.
    It is not at all the case with Social Security as people enter into a commitment with the government and pay a certain amount set by the government for over forty years and in return receive an amount back based on their pay in.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is not at all the case with Social Security as people enter into a commitment with the government and pay a certain amount set by the government for over forty years and in return receive an amount back based on their pay in.
    No, the people paying into it are subsidising the people collecting now. Folks just don't like paying into it for 40 years and the possibility of not getting their chance to feed at the trough. It can be hard to give it up but think of the children.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Sorry, you can only count the people who are paying taxes. According to your definition, if a city was wiped out by H-bomb that would be a progressive tax cut.
    That is an incoherent post.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    No, the people paying into it are subsidising the people collecting now. Folks just don't like paying into it for 40 years and the possibility of not getting their change to feed at the trough. It can be hard to give it up but think of the children.
    No, the people collecting now are collecting on a loan they made to the government over the course of their working lifetime.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    No, the people paying into it are subsidising the people collecting now. Folks just don't like paying into it for 40 years and the possibility of not getting their chance to feed at the trough. It can be hard to give it up but think of the children.
    So you would not have us honor our commitments to the American people who honored theirs and fulfilled their part of the bargain?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, the people collecting now are collecting on a loan they made to the government over the course of their working lifetime.
    When Social Security was first enacted, were the people collecting getting a payback on a loan? No they were not.
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