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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Which doesn't address his post..

    As you would say, address his post, Jack, or withdraw..
    I don't believe I left anything unaddressed.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Are you telling me, the space program, the military industrial complex, the internet didn't create any jobs or wealth? LMMFAO
    Those jobs were created by private companies, not the government.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    private/public ventures, period..
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    Those jobs were created by private companies, not the government.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Then let's get back to slavery.

    Obamacare is unconstitutional even if tyrants from all three branches of government approved it. Voters never voted for an amendment that would allow such a monstrous thing to happen as did happen. You are mistaken.

    If we are not going to follow the constitutional limits let's just declare that we are no longer a Constitutional Republic and let the revolution begin.
    The list of "unconstitutional" overreach here in the USA is long. Most of it approved by SCOTUS long before Obama was a sprouting seed in his mamma's uterus.

    In my mind ninety percent of the guns laws, like thoes which ban felons from possessing weapons, are like that. So too are all the infringements on protections against search and siezure. We now have Habeas Corpus requirements denied by SCOTUS. And, in some ways, even the Constitutional protection against the Quartering of Soldiers has been ignored as no Knock Warrants which give agents of the government the Right to enter your home uninvited to arrest you and set up temporary base there as they build a case against you.

    Obamacare is the least egregious of any of those gvt overreaches I listed, but yet few "Conservatives" ever rail against those infringements. So...excuse me for calling out their hypocrisy.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Okay, let's say "tax". I think it's wrong for the government to tax money from one person and give it to someone else. Do you disagree with this opinion?
    All tax is collection from one person and then the government uses it for various services.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    So you're OK with the income redistribution concept but prefer to call taxation, for that purpose, "taking by force of law"?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I suggest you review the data. The GWB tax cuts made the federal income tax more progressive.

    Tax Code Became More Progressive after the Bush Tax Cuts

    www.ncpa.org/pdfs/ba606.pdf‎
    Tax Code Became More. Progressive after the Bush Tax Cuts by Michael D. Stroup. Critics complain that the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts gave the greatest tax ...
    Okay, your link is deceptive. You've already said the Bush tax cuts eliminated tax payers. whenever you eliminate tax payers, even just a few, the percentage of taxes paid by a group is going to rise. It's mathematical, even if no tax cuts were given but tax payers are eliminated you would get the rise. The top 1% of tax payers contained more people before the tax cuts than were in top 1% after the tax cut. This is because you are breaking into groups using percentages not numbers of people. You can bet the top 100 earners paid less in taxes after the Bush tax cuts than they did before.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Okay, your link is deceptive. You've already said the Bush tax cuts eliminated tax payers. whenever you eliminate tax payers, even just a few, the percentage of taxes paid by a group is going to rise. It's mathematical, even if no tax cuts were given but tax payers are eliminated you would get the rise. The top 1% of tax payers contained more people before the tax cuts than were in top 1% after the tax cut. This is because you are breaking into groups using percentages not numbers of people. You can bet the top 100 earners paid less in taxes after the Bush tax cuts than they did before.

    There is an saying: "Figures Don’t Lie, But Liars Do Figure"
    Of course they paid less. It was a tax cut. But they did not escape their income tax obligation, whereas many at the bottom were relieved of their burden, thereby making the tax code more progressive.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All tax is collection from one person and then the government uses it for various services.
    Agreed. I just don't agree that it is right for the government to simply hand out tax revenues to individuals. It seems too similar to ought right theft.

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