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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yeah, well, back here on earth the Republicans will retain the House and have a good shot at taking the Senate. And Hillary is by no means a shoe in.
    While I agree the House is safely in Republicans hands, at least at this moment in time. I do think they have an uphill climb to retake the senate. I think WV, SD and AR will end up with Republican senators replacing democratic ones. Democratic Lt. Gov Walsh has announced his intentions to run for senator in MT to replace Baucus and I think he is a slight favorite to retain that seat. Landrieu in LA has raised tons of cash and is from a age old family of LA politicians. She will probably pull that race out for the Dems. Hagan in NC has let a 15 point lead slip to 2 or 3 depending on who will challenge her, but NC is like VA, it is moving into the purple state and her incumbency could be just enough. Alaska, Begich latest polls shows him way ahead of his nearest GOP rivals.

    Then there is Georgia and Kentucky. Believe it or not the prognosticators have McConnell's race rated a toss up and in Georgia, Michelle Nunn, daughter of our much beloved ex-democratic senator, Sam Nunn has a 50-50 chance of winning next year to give Georgia a Democratic Senator.

    But the bottom line, until names start being attached, we are speculating. AR has names Cotton vs. Pryor and I am pretty confident Cotton will win. But we'll see as time goes by.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Welcome to electoral hell. If McAulife winning does nothing else, it should, at the very least, show you you're there.
    As an actual Virginian, it doesn't show me much of anything. Both candidates were extremely unpopular with their base for a variety of reasons...it's not like Cuccinelli was a well loved candidate that faltered against a guy most Democrats didn't like. The most populated portion of the state was a month removed from a monumentally impactful event with regards to the government shutdown, the blame of which largely went to Republicans. McAulife outspent him nearly 10 to 1 in the state, being able to turn the campaign into one focusing on social issues (a losing prospect for KC) despite Cuccinelli actually trying NOT to make it about social issues. Add to this a third party candidate who took a fair portion of the republican and independent votes (independents went more for KC than TM). And despite all of that, and largley with the help of the Obamacare issue blowing up the week before the election, the fact Cuccinelli lost by less than 3% after the huge drought he had been in for some time in the polls doesn't indicate to me what so ever that we're in "electoral hell".

    This kind of bull**** peddling may work with ignorant people who know nothing about the issues in Virginia and relating to that campaign outside of what they read on their random political website dujour, but as someone who actually lives in the state and has significant ties all across it and watched the campaign first hand, it's a ridiculous assertion that's easily dismissed.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which has nothing at all to do with my post that you were pretending to reply to.
    really?...you reference 1929 ...that time frame.......you reference Russia.

    only one conclusion can be drawn from that, that you are giving credit to communist....a nation at that time which murdered, starved and no one had individual rights.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it seems to be a contest of who is disliked/distrusted the least.

    Yeah. Except that a wide majority favors the current Republican bill to limit abortion past 20 weeks to rape, incest, and life-of-the-mother, and women and hispanics are more likely to support it.
    I honestly think you'd see a lot more independents and moderates being open to the Republican Party if the unifying message on abortion appeared to be more along the lines of:

    Abortion before 20 weeks should be legal, abortion after 20 weeks must be limited to rape, incest, and life of the mother.

    Instead of

    We need to end abortion, with part of us thinking all together and part of us thinking at any time unless for rape/incest/life of the mother.

    It's a stance that would still strongly limit the amount of abortions occuring, something you would assume would be found more favorable than continuing a loosing battle and gaining NO ground....while at the same time would be viewed as a more reasonable and "moderate" stance on it by many, likely making it far more likely to gain traction.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As an actual Virginian, it doesn't show me much of anything. Both candidates were extremely unpopular with their base for a variety of reasons...it's not like Cuccinelli was a well loved candidate that faltered against a guy most Democrats didn't like. The most populated portion of the state was a month removed from a monumentally impactful event with regards to the government shutdown, the blame of which largely went to Republicans. McAulife outspent him nearly 10 to 1 in the state, being able to turn the campaign into one focusing on social issues (a losing prospect for KC) despite Cuccinelli actually trying NOT to make it about social issues. Add to this a third party candidate who took a fair portion of the republican and independent votes (independents went more for KC than TM). And despite all of that, and largley with the help of the Obamacare issue blowing up the week before the election, the fact Cuccinelli lost by less than 3% after the huge drought he had been in for some time in the polls doesn't indicate to me what so ever that we're in "electoral hell".

    This kind of bull**** peddling may work with ignorant people who know nothing about the issues in Virginia and relating to that campaign outside of what they read on their random political website dujour, but as someone who actually lives in the state and has significant ties all across it and watched the campaign first hand, it's a ridiculous assertion that's easily dismissed.
    If you have time, please keep us current on what is really happening...those of us who have to rely on the biased MSM don't always get the true story...but what else is new?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I honestly think you'd see a lot more independents and moderates being open to the Republican Party if the unifying message on abortion appeared to be more along the lines of:

    Abortion before 20 weeks should be legal, abortion after 20 weeks must be limited to rape, incest, and life of the mother.

    Instead of

    We need to end abortion, with part of us thinking all together and part of us thinking at any time unless for rape/incest/life of the mother.
    The first is actually currently the legislation Republicans are pushing through Congress.

    It's a stance that would still strongly limit the amount of abortions occuring
    The vast majority of Abortions take place before that time period, as we are constantly informed in the Abortion forum. It's not a half a loaf, it's a fifth of a loaf (at best). But when you are trying to save lives, the important thing is to save who you can when you can, and not let the perfect be the enemy of the "less bad".

    something you would assume would be found more favorable than continuing a loosing battle and gaining NO ground...
    :raises eyebrow: we have been gaining ground.

    while at the same time would be viewed as a more reasonable and "moderate" stance on it by many, likely making it far more likely to gain traction.
    Yeah. I wouldn't be willing to take a "moderate" stance on the question of whether or not we should kill children as anything other than an incrementalist tactic.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What makes you think that was the goal?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really?...you reference 1929 ...that time frame.......you reference Russia.

    only one conclusion can be drawn from that, that you are giving credit to communist....a nation at that time which murdered, starved and no one had individual rights.
    Actually I never refernced 1929 in Russia. You took one from column A and mixed it with one from column B and invented something new.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually I never refernced 1929 in Russia. You took one from column A and mixed it with one from column B and invented something new.
    here is what you did, you took a negative view of america based on 1929.

    then you put on a positive view of France and Russia.....one being socialist and the other communist.

    you were making a comparison............and so was i.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As an actual Virginian, it doesn't show me much of anything. Both candidates were extremely unpopular with their base for a variety of reasons...it's not like Cuccinelli was a well loved candidate that faltered against a guy most Democrats didn't like. The most populated portion of the state was a month removed from a monumentally impactful event with regards to the government shutdown, the blame of which largely went to Republicans. McAulife outspent him nearly 10 to 1 in the state, being able to turn the campaign into one focusing on social issues (a losing prospect for KC) despite Cuccinelli actually trying NOT to make it about social issues. Add to this a third party candidate who took a fair portion of the republican and independent votes (independents went more for KC than TM). And despite all of that, and largley with the help of the Obamacare issue blowing up the week before the election, the fact Cuccinelli lost by less than 3% after the huge drought he had been in for some time in the polls doesn't indicate to me what so ever that we're in "electoral hell".

    This kind of bull**** peddling may work with ignorant people who know nothing about the issues in Virginia and relating to that campaign outside of what they read on their random political website dujour, but as someone who actually lives in the state and has significant ties all across it and watched the campaign first hand, it's a ridiculous assertion that's easily dismissed.
    Why would you run an unpopular candidate against McAulife? That's just it. GOP--too stupid to win easy elections.

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