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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Yes. I would opt to eliminate it through the legislative process.
    I had not thought you were going to snap your fingers and simply declare it gone.

    Now will you explain the details of this phasing out?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    did you step through my pc screen, and check to see how I was doing, how do you know if I am angry, sad, lashing out?.......
    It is obvious from your posts with your snide comments and your refusal to accept an explanation and move on.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I had not thought you were going to snap your fingers and simply declare it gone.

    Now will you explain the details of this phasing out?
    As I said, I think it should be repealed.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is obvious from your posts with your snide comments and your refusal to accept an explanation and move on.
    oh I see, so your the explainer of my actions, and of all things ..I seems you have rummaged through johnny carson's old boxes of goods and found this old karnak hat.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That shows the GDP growing for the first 7 years of pres Bush in charge, losing growth at the end of his 8th year, and plummeting sharply into negative growth as Obama took charge.

    But growth rate does not equal overall growth, just the % change.
    It shows the economy rapidly recovering up until 2004 and then diving to the depths of unheard of levels thereafter. That's three years of accelerating growth and 4 years of deceleration, followed by a year of extreme contraction. Obama, OTOH, has shown accelerated improvement after six months in office and nothing but growth after a year in office. In other words, my graph shows Conservative's assertion in post 408 to be full of ****.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It shows the economy rapidly recovering up until 2004 and then diving to the depths of unheard of levels thereafter. That's three years of accelerating growth and 4 years of deceleration, followed by a year of extreme contraction. Obama, OTOH, has shown accelerated improvement after six months in office and nothing but growth after a year in office. In other words, my graph shows Conservative's assertion in post 408 to be full of ****.
    Let's see how good your math is. I can beat you to death all day with actual numbers


    Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product
    [Billions of dollars]
    Bureau of Economic Analysis
    Last Revised on: November 07, 2013 - Next Release Date December 05, 2013

    Line * 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
    1 Gross domestic product 10289.7 10625.3 10980.2 11512.2 12277 13095.4 13857.9 14480.3 14720.3
    Feel free to calculate the GDP by year and get back to me. From BLS.gov

    2001-32o billion
    2002-350 billion
    2003-360 billion
    2004-530 billion
    2005-760 billion
    2006-870 billion
    2007-630 billion
    2008-240 billion

    Your support for Obama is part of the 40% and shows how intellectually challenged you are

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It shows the economy rapidly recovering up until 2004 and then diving to the depths of unheard of levels thereafter. That's three years of accelerating growth and 4 years of deceleration, followed by a year of extreme contraction. Obama, OTOH, has shown accelerated improvement after six months in office and nothing but growth after a year in office. In other words, my graph shows Conservative's assertion in post 408 to be full of ****.
    Where is this graph you're looking at? Because I don't see that on the one I looked at.

    I see growth rate climbing in 2003, peaking @~4% in the first months of 2004, then falling slightly to around 3% and holding there til mid-2006, where it again falls slightly to around 2% and holds until the later months of 2007 (apart from a brief drop to ~1% for about a month in early 2007).

    The large drop in growth rate (bottoming @ growth rate of about -4.5%) begins in late 2007/early 2008 and continues into mid-2009, which as I understand things, corresponds to the end of Bush's last term and the beginning of Obama's first.

    By mid-2010 the growth rate has shot back up to 2nd-term bush levels, and holds at that level with small fluctuations until the end of the graph.


    Edit: But I would think that more info than just growth rate would be necessary to get a full picture - after all, with a -4.5% growth rate for a bit, you would need a couple years or so of +2% growth to return to the GDP levels prior to the fall.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Where is this graph you're looking at? Because I don't see that on the one I looked at.

    I see growth rate climbing in 2003, peaking @~4% in the first months of 2004, then falling slightly to around 3% and holding there til mid-2006, where it again falls slightly to around 2% and holds until the later months of 2007 (apart from a brief drop to ~1% for about a month in early 2007).

    The large drop in growth rate (bottoming @ growth rate of about -4.5%) begins in late 2007/early 2008 and continues into mid-2009, which as I understand things, corresponds to the end of Bush's last term and the beginning of Obama's first.

    By mid-2010 the growth rate has shot back up to 2nd-term bush levels, and holds at that level with small fluctuations until the end of the graph.


    Edit: But I would think that more info than just growth rate would be necessary to get a full picture - after all, with a -4.5% growth rate for a bit, you would need a couple years or so of +2% growth to return to the GDP levels prior to the fall.
    Correct, Bush saw some growth. He pulled out of the recession at a nice clip until that accelerated rate of growth petered out in 2004. He then saw a significantly decreased growth rate for three more years until the rapid decline of 2008, which crashed the economy.

    That crash bottomed out about six months into Obama's term---surely you don't blame Obama for that crash, do you? And, thanks to Obama and despite the GOP's best efforts to squash the recovery, the fall in GDP rapidly comes to an end and begins to accelerate resulting in the positive GDP growth rate returning by 2010, where it has stayed.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Correct, Bush saw some growth. He pulled out of the recession at a nice clip until that accelerated rate of growth petered out in 2004. He then saw a significantly decreased growth rate for three more years until the rapid decline of 2008, which crashed the economy.

    That crash bottomed out about six months into Obama's term---surely you don't blame Obama for that crash, do you? And, thanks to Obama and despite the GOP's best efforts to squash the recovery, the fall in GDP rapidly comes to an end and begins to accelerate resulting in the positive GDP growth rate returning by 2010, where it has stayed.
    Squash the recovery? What economic policy did Obama want that he didn't get? Stimulus? Obamacare? How in the hell can you support this incompetent and ignore the actual results?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Squash the recovery? What economic policy did Obama want that he didn't get? Stimulus? Obamacare? How in the hell can you support this incompetent and ignore the actual results?
    Rather amazing that adding 6.5 trillion to the debt and all that govt spending that GDP growth never exceeded 3%. Obviously such low expectations on your part. Worst recovery in history

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