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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is a valid point, but to take court action requires standing, which it appears to belong only to the states (per the 10th amendment). Since the states now get up to half of their education funding from "free" federal transfer payments then they likely feel that the federal mandates that accompany that funding are a good deal, on balance, and thus will not sue.
    I find it very very very hard to believe that not a single state out of fifty or not a single district out of the tens of thousands that exist would not have found an issue worth taking before the Court.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As was explained to you before - and I will carefully take time to explain it again - yes we are talking about the Constitution. Yes you were asked to read it. And you still came up with your rather radical and extremist view of the powers of Congress. As such - continuing with the discussion of the Constitution and what you found there - it is entirely appropriate to introduce the official government baranch which has the sole power to interpret the Constitution for the nation.

    The Supreme Court has no decision in 220 years which agrees with your position.

    Your position is obviously without any Constitutional merit or it would have come up with even one decision in over two centuries.

    As such, it is perfectly proper to introduce the role of the Court to show definitively that your view has nothing at all to do with the realities of the Constitution.

    sorry hay......you stated clearly "actual constitution"

    i showed you what is says clearly by posting sections of it, and jefferson says the same things i said......and that threw a money wrench into you statement, and you ran to the court, as your saving grace.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really?, so your saying Madison is wrong, and america was created with a national government? ....since you believe the government is supposed to be in the life's liberty and property of the people.
    Do you remember just the other day when you were on your crusade Titanic going downwards to the bottom clinging to the falsehood that it took a majority of states to pass a law in the Senate and you quoted Madison as proof of it?

    Yup - Madison was wrong. His opinion is not that of a god who cannot make errors. And I just showed you one of them.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I find it very very very hard to believe that not a single state out of fifty or not a single district out of the tens of thousands that exist would not have found an issue worth taking before the Court.
    There have been many federal education "issues" taken up but not the basic right issue. Money speaks very loudly indeed.

    EDIT: The national 55mph speed limit law was rejected by only one state, since they calculated the loses in state/county employee travel time to exceed the gain from keeping their federal highway maintanance funding.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry hay......you stated clearly "actual constitution"

    i showed you what is says clearly by posting sections of it, and jefferson says the same things i said......and that threw a money wrench into you statement, and you ran to the court, as your saving grace.
    We are debating the actual Constitution. Is there a second one I do not know about?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    The Constitution defines Blacks as 3/5ths of a person too. What's your point?
    wrong, i does not say blacks, it states those in slavery, and it was enforced by law, until slavery ended, .....and becuase of that ..........the 3/5th clause is no longer valid.

    so side tracking the issue, does not help, you need to stop with the ......emotional appeal.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    There have been many federal education "issues" taken up but not the basic right issue. Money speaks very loudly indeed.
    I find it very very very hard to accept that educations issues have been taken before the Court in the last thirty plus years but no single case found a way to make the argument that conservatives make about the department itself being unconstitutional. Its just absurd in the extreme. After all, how long did it take to get a court test on the health care law?

    I suspect strongly that you all know the Court finds it perfectly kosher but cling to the fiction just the same as a conservative cause celebre which rallies the troops.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We are debating the actual Constitution. Is there a second one I do not know about?
    do you want me to make you look bad again.....yes or no...?

    if yes, i can repost all of the links of your statements.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    do you want me to make you look bad again.....yes or no...?

    if yes, i can repost all of the link of your statements.
    By all means step up to the plate and go for strike three.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong, i does not say blacks, it states those in slavery, and it was enforced by law, until slavery ended, .....and becuase of that ..........the 3/5th clause is no longer valid.

    so side tracking the issue, does not help, you need to stop with the ......emotional appeal.
    Was there any examples of white slavery in North America at the time when the constitution was written?
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