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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Phase it out.
    And exactly how would you do that?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is exactly the point, you believe the USSC can interpret the constitution and Madison....... cannot .
    It has a great deal to do with the fact that he is dead and has been so for a very very very long time now.

    are you going to say that people knew "gone with the wind" better than Margret Mitchell? since it was her creation.

    no one knows ones creation ...better than its creator.
    You are guilty of committing the fallacy of False Equivalency. GWTW had one author. The Constitution had 55. Madison was not the author of it as Mitchell was with GWTW.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You continue to show how lacking our education system is today as you ignore the role of the state and local government as well as the purpose of the various taxes we pay. What exactly are you doing to do your share in taking care of the poor, giving your money to a bureaucrat to do it for you?

    Roads, bridges, rails, airports, and providing food for the poor is mostly funded by state and local taxes except for the interstate highway system which is funded by Federal excise taxes on petroleum products purchased by the users of those infrastructure items. When will you ever learn the role of the govt. as well as what your taxes fund?
    Without the uniformity mandated by the Federal Government, the South would probably still have slaves and the Northeast would be colonizing Mars. If the federal government didn't ban slavery and force an end to Jim Crow, those states would never have let go of those institutions. And, if wealth wasn't sucked out of the educated Blue States to help support the backward Red ones, Blue Stters would be so flush with cash, Venus would probably be on our vacation guides.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the federal government, stepped outside of the constitution long before you and i were never born, and committed unconstitutional acts.

    no where does the federal government have authority in our life's, liberty or property.


    federalist 45
    The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.

    The former [federal government] will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

    The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
    And were Madison GOD, that might be relevant. Since he was not, its just one mans opinion written before the new government ever really got rolling. So Madison is like a family member pontificating about the future of a infant.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course the Department of education has been operating for 34 years now and one would think that is more than ample time for someone to make a legal challenge and get it before the Court. I also note that during the span we have had Presidents Reagan, and two Presidents Bush - all of whom opposed it but did nothing about it.
    That is a valid point, but to take court action requires standing, which it appears to belong only to the states (per the 10th amendment). Since the states now get up to half of their education funding from "free" federal transfer payments then they likely feel that the federal mandates that accompany that funding are a good deal, on balance, and thus will not sue.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Without the uniformity mandated by the Federal Government, the South would probably still have slaves and the Northeast would be colonizing Mars. If the federal government didn't ban slavery and force an end to Jim Crow, those states would never have let go of those institutions. And, if wealth wasn't sucked out of the educated Blue States to help support the backward Red ones, Blue Stters would be so flush with cash, Venus would probably be on our vacation guides.
    The Constitution was amended to add race as a civil right. you seem to forget that just like you forget basic civics as well as history showing the foundation upon which this country was built. Seems you want to eliminate 50 independent states and make one large central govt. providing for everything you want. Is that really your goal? If it weren't for liberalism maybe those blue states would have more cash

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no..i just think you a VERY dishonest poster.

    YOU stated i needed to read the constitution, ................so your focus was on the document itself..

    when i told i had read it, you wanted to know what i had learned from it, which i believe supported my position.

    i stated to you what that was, ....and Thomas Jefferson backed up what i had to say.......THEN you abandoned the constitution which you initially focused on and ran to the USSC .

    your continued sleight of hand tricks are tiresome, and prove, the points made about you in the basement.
    As was explained to you before - and I will carefully take time to explain it again - yes we are talking about the Constitution. Yes you were asked to read it. And you still came up with your rather radical and extremist view of the powers of Congress. As such - continuing with the discussion of the Constitution and what you found there - it is entirely appropriate to introduce the official government baranch which has the sole power to interpret the Constitution for the nation.

    The Supreme Court has no decision in 220 years which agrees with your position.

    Your position is obviously without any Constitutional merit or it would have come up with even one decision in over two centuries.

    As such, it is perfectly proper to introduce the role of the Court to show definitively that your view has nothing at all to do with the realities of the Constitution.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Without the uniformity mandated by the Federal Government, the South would probably still have slaves and the Northeast would be colonizing Mars. If the federal government didn't ban slavery and force an end to Jim Crow, those states would never have let go of those institutions. And, if wealth wasn't sucked out of the educated Blue States to help support the backward Red ones, Blue Stters would be so flush with cash, Venus would probably be on our vacation guides.
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say...you live in the North? Just a wild guess.

    also, you do know that half the Presidents in the last 50 years have come from the (backward) South, so I guess they managed to build a school or two in the cotton fields to produce a few educated citizens, no?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And were Madison GOD, that might be relevant. Since he was not, its just one mans opinion written before the new government ever really got rolling. So Madison is like a family member pontificating about the future of a infant.
    really?, so your saying Madison is wrong, and america was created with a national government? ....since you believe the government is supposed to be in the life's liberty and property of the people.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    he did not say that, you need to read more careful.....he is what he said "The federal department of education is a prime example - there is no mention of education as a constitutional federal power.

    education is a state power, not a federal power.

    most of the other things you espouse are also not constitutional powers either.
    The Constitution defines Blacks as 3/5ths of a person too. What's your point?

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