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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    There is no part of the Constitution that allows the federal government to take my wealth to give it to another. None.
    So in your copy of the Constitution there is no power to tax?

    This is why the Article V fight is so important to win. We have to undo the damage done by the Supremes. A tyranny by a small number is no less offensive than a tyranny by one.
    What is this "Article V fight" that is so important for the right to win? Please describe the battles and where they are being fought.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    Yes, social security checks would be one example of robbing Peter to pay Paul. As would medicare, and medicaid. Those are a few examples of what I'm talking about.
    Lumping SS/Medicare in with Medicaid ignores a key difference. SS/Medicare are designed to be funded by a separate, dedicated payroll tax imposed at a flat rate, applicable to every dollar of gross pay earned and the benefits are paid upon reaching retirement age (or total disability) regardless of "need". Medicaid is entirely funded by general revenue and is given to folks based only upon on determination of financial "need".
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    And not a single one of those issues is a federal government responsibility.
    But yet national Presidents of both parties advocate for this and sign laws doing just that.

    But yet Congresses made up of both parties advocate for this and pass laws doing just that.

    And yet Supreme Courts both liberal and conservative approve of such laws and do not strike them down.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So in your copy of the Constitution there is no power to tax?
    Taxation does not mean that no constitutional federal power is then required to spend that money.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    Taxation does not mean that no constitutional federal power is then required to spend that money.
    But yet Congress after Congress and President after President and Supreme Court after Supreme Court advocates or gives their blessing for taxation and the spending of that money that does many things that the right - at least the modern right - objects so vociferously to.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But yet Congress after Congress and President after President and Supreme Court after Supreme Court advocates or gives their blessing for taxation and the spending of that money that does many things that the right - at least the modern right - objects so vociferously to.
    That is indeed true. We also have a cabinet level federal department of education, but absolutely no federal power of education exists in the constitution. Simply because something is deemed good or important does not mean that is is then a new federal power.

    It seems as though you feel anything that passes congress and is signed into law by the POTUS is thus constitutional. Our nine robed federal umpires are not allowed to throw penalty flags, they must wait until someone deemed to have "standing" gets an issue through the court system; even then they may simply decline to rule on that issue at all. Separate but equal is totally illegal when based on race (unless it is called affirmative action or used as a remedy for past discrimination) but mandated for college sports based on gender.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Is he your President??
    How many times do I need to say it. I DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So your suggestion for Social Security changes would be what?
    Phase it out.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    This weekend will be full of nothing but bitch and spin..
    Maybe we can hear more from the five-time draft-dodger Cheney
    trying to elect his daughter over a decent GOP Senator by lying about the President being a liar..
    And you guys from the past wonder why I'm not going to calm down with GOP lying/treason .
    Calm down? In a way it is hard for me to understand, but then again I am not a die hard anything. I think first and foremost I am a numbers guy trying to figure out how all this stuff will effect the upcoming elections with everything else at least in second place. As to the ACA, I am peeved at how senators and representatives can totally ignore the wishes of the people of their state and district and vote the party line. Now I am not talking a minor issue here, it was a very major one. I am not talking a 52-48 split or even 55-45. I am talking about places where 60% or more of the people were against the law. Those folks IMO has to go. They only put party politics and agenda above the people. Not good. They were sent to Washington to represent the people of their district, state etc. not their party. The bare bones of the ACA, I don't know much about it and really don't care.

    I like the president and the first lady, but I do have policy differences with him. I also agree with him on many of his policies, especially foreign policy with two exception that stands out. Not going to congress for Libya and the bombing of Syria, the rest I am perfectly happy with. On the domestic scene, it is the rising debt he seems to ignore and of course this ACA thing. I don't particular like how he governs by executive order most of the time, but to a lesser extent other presidents have done this by trying to end run congress. But all and all, no real big grips. I do think he has set some very bad precedents that you and your fellow Democrats are taking glee in now, but will be howling at the top of your lungs when a Republican president uses those same precedents. So there you have it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I agree that for the vast majority of people we certainly DO NOT want to create life long dependence. For some who are physically or mentally incapable - there may be no alternative. For most, temporary help is a sad necessity for a society like ours.
    I've got no problem with that sort of approach, but that's not what we have right now. And the Left doesn't want to change anything, that's my main gripe.
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