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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The very nature of taxation is to take from one and provide some government program or service to another. What you describe as the peter and paul situation.

    The very essence of taxation is to take money from one person, and the government then redistributes it in some fashion.
    This clearly shows you subvert the Constitution. Constitutionally limited governments tax in order to fulfil their written Constitutions. Americans never intended nor did they write a Constitution to allow a government to take one one citizen to give to another. We fought one civil war to end slavery. And yet here come the Left with the New Slavery.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Checks... cash ... services ... food cards ...... contracts ..... entitlements ..... its all money collected from people and going to people. To pretend otherwise is simply denial of reality.
    And all of it is unconstitutional. Every bit of it. To pretend otherwise is simply denial of reality.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thank you for clarifying that.

    I am not against the government making it possible for people with special needs to live in dignity. That would include the seriously handicapped and disabled. Again, I think that is simply part of living in a Christian based society which will not allow people to simply die.
    There is no part of the Constitution that allows the federal government to take my wealth to give it to another. None. If you feel strongly about it then you sell all that you have and give the proceeds to the poor. It would offend the Christ you keep bringing up to demand that the state compel me to carry your cross.

    Let the Christians band together if they wish to fund all of these things you claim they support. You and they have no claim on my life. No matter how much you pretty it up you are not different from any slaveholder prior to the last Civil War.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    We will always have a welfare state. Desperate people do desperate things. Imagine telling the nation that all welfare, SS, Medicare, and unemployment insurance payments will cease as of Nov. 30th. The Police would be so busy that they would just give up and go home to protect their families.

    While we're at it, the stock market might as well crash. It would be much more devastating than in 1929 due to today's population.
    It was phased in. It can be phased out. We can stop creating new victims. And we can retire the old ones.

    Arm up.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What the polls over the last few months show us is that a party can fall rather fast depending on events of the day..... the GOP with the shutdown and their role in it and the Dems with the Syria fiasco and the health care registration debacle. It also should remind us that it is a very long way until the next election cycle and lots of events will change the fortune of both parties during that time. So I would not read too much into the latest polls either way as to what they may mean for 2014 or 2016.

    Yes things will certainly change between now and then, but how much more some people will have to pay to be insured will not. Obama care should hit the Democrats hard, as most that voted for democrats already received free heath care. [I] guess we will see if they brought in new voters with Obama care, or if they alienated others that voted for the party in the past in the next election.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Tax the poor! Sounds like a winning strategy, you guys should run with it.
    Good point. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" has worked much better for the last one hundred years.


    Why stop now. Marxism remains popular with many.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And how do we know what the Constitution actually means? THE SUPREME COURT interprets it for us. Not you.

    It is the Supreme Court who interprets the US Constitution. They have been doing so for over 220 years. And not a single Court decision agrees with your far right extremist interpretation of what the powers of Congress are or what the scope of the Federal Government is regarding the American people.

    So for you to
    1- know this reality about who interprets the Constitution
    2- know that not a single Court decision in 220 years agrees with you
    3- cling to this ridiculous interpretation in despite of those two facts

    shows that their is some fantasy world of the USA that you seem to believe exists that has nothing at all to do with the real one the rest of us inhabit.
    This is why the Article V fight is so important to win. We have to undo the damage done by the Supremes. A tyranny by a small number is no less offensive than a tyranny by one.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Sadly, Ernst, what the Constitution says is actually irrelevant. Yeah, we can read it and see what the federal government's powers are SUPPOSED to be. But if the federal government says something is legal, then it's legal. It may be evil. It may be contrary to the Constitution, but none of that matters. The federal government has absolute and final legal authority to determine the extent of its own powers.
    This is true only until we object and reassert our power over our government.

    This is why the Article V fight is crucial. If we do not win it the nation is finished.

    Article V of the United States Constitution provides that Congress, "on the application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments...". The Founding Fathers of our nation recognized the importance of providing this means by which the citizens of our country could initiate amendments to change and/or clarify the Constitution; the fundamental document which they intended to be not only the blueprint for our federal system but also "the supreme Law of the Land".

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why is not almost ALL government spending robbing somebody to pay for somebody else?
    Do you actually not understand? I do not believe you.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The premise of social safety net examples? The premise is to help people who need help. And that is what they do.

    Examples:
    people who are hungry get food stamps.
    people who are homeless get housing.
    people with kids get aid for those families.
    people who are sick and cannot pay get medical treatment

    Can you follow those examples? Can you get that helping those in need and alleviating their condition is proof of the programs success?

    yeah I know - silly questions!!!!!
    And not a single one of those issues is a federal government responsibility.

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