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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why is not almost ALL government spending robbing somebody to pay for somebody else?
    I'm talking about giving money directly to an individual.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

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    I'm talking about giving money directly to an individual.
    Can you give me some examples of that?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can you give me some examples of that?
    Yes, social security checks would be one example of robbing Peter to pay Paul. As would medicare, and medicaid. Those are a few examples of what I'm talking about.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The premise of social safety net examples? The premise is to help people who need help. And that is what they do.

    Examples:
    people who are hungry get food stamps.
    people who are homeless get housing.
    people with kids get aid for those families.
    people who are sick and cannot pay get medical treatment

    Can you follow those examples? Can you get that helping those in need and alleviating their condition is proof of the programs success?

    yeah I know - silly questions!!!!!
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Sadly, Ernst, what the Constitution says is actually irrelevant. Yeah, we can read it and see what the federal government's powers are SUPPOSED to be. But if the federal government says something is legal, then it's legal. It may be evil. It may be contrary to the Constitution, but none of that matters. The federal government has absolute and final legal authority to determine the extent of its own powers.
    your are correct I don't doubt that at all, because there is no merchandize to stop them, state power in our federal government has been lost with the 17th.

    however what I state is in fact true..... according to "correct" constitutional law.

    so I understand the reality, but I speak in terms of the constitution, ..not the court, or congress usurpation of power.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And how do we know what the Constitution actually means? THE SUPREME COURT interprets it for us. Not you.

    It is the Supreme Court who interprets the US Constitution. They have been doing so for over 220 years. And not a single Court decision agrees with your far right extremist interpretation of what the powers of Congress are or what the scope of the Federal Government is regarding the American people.

    So for you to
    1- know this reality about who interprets the Constitution
    2- know that not a single Court decision in 220 years agrees with you
    3- cling to this ridiculous interpretation in despite of those two facts

    shows that their is some fantasy world of the USA that you seem to believe exists that has nothing at all to do with the real one the rest of us inhabit.
    if Madison states the constitution was created to be mixed, the court, is without words, because Madison laid the foundation of the constitution, ....and a man knows his own creation.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The premise of social safety net examples? The premise is to help people who need help. And that is what they do.

    Examples:
    people who are hungry get food stamps.
    people who are homeless get housing.
    people with kids get aid for those families.
    people who are sick and cannot pay get medical treatment

    Can you follow those examples? Can you get that helping those in need and alleviating their condition is proof of the programs success?

    yeah I know - silly questions!!!!!
    where you fail is state governments are not prohibited from engaging in these actions, you show a zeal for.

    however the federal government has no authority to engage is such activity because it is not a delegated power.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Yes, social security checks would be one example of robbing Peter to pay Paul. As would medicare, and medicaid. Those are a few examples of what I'm talking about.
    Technically, SS was supposed to be peter saving up to pay peter, only it got ****ed up because the government was running it. Also, because average lifespan after retirement increased.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Technically, SS was supposed to be peter saving up to pay peter, only it got ****ed up because the government was running it. Also, because average lifespan after retirement increased.
    Yeah, the former would be called "a bank account".

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Technically, SS was supposed to be peter saving up to pay peter, only it got ****ed up because the government was running it. Also, because average lifespan after retirement increased.
    SS was supposed to be a money maker for the government.

    during that time, life expectancy was 65, and a person retired at 62.. shows the government in their thinking believed more would be paid into the system then going out.

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