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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Bush's results: A decade of war, budget deficits, and an economic collapse.
    Your opinion noted, economic collapse? A collapse would affect All Americans, how did the recession affect you and your family? Decade of war? We were attacked, 9/11 happened, 1 trillion dollars added to the debt because of that attack. Guess we should have turned the other cheek? What is it about people like you who simply cannot get over your Bush Derangement Syndrome five years after he has been out of office?

    Amazing how those years of deficits never generated a trillion dollar one and Obama takes office and we have four in a row

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And in your mind with your own belief system and your own adopted realities - is it your opinion that there is nothing in between the two opposite ends on the continuum..... solving the problem 100% or not solving the problem and doing nothing?
    Nope never said that, it's a lie. Don't run away from our discussion and try to change the subject. You responded to "Where are the examples of the Federal Govt. solving a social problem?", with "What makes you think that was the goal?". Now answer the question. So far your arguments have been obliterated, because you can't give examples.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no hay, sorry again ...you wanted to know the constitution, becuase you stated...i needed to read it.......so you referring to the constitution.

    now you wish to switch over to the court, and that is not what you stated in your beginning arguments.

    your inconsistency is very troubling.
    Sadly, Ernst, what the Constitution says is actually irrelevant. Yeah, we can read it and see what the federal government's powers are SUPPOSED to be. But if the federal government says something is legal, then it's legal. It may be evil. It may be contrary to the Constitution, but none of that matters. The federal government has absolute and final legal authority to determine the extent of its own powers.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Sadly, Ernst, what the Constitution says is actually irrelevant. Yeah, we can read it and see what the federal government's powers are SUPPOSED to be. But if the federal government says something is legal, then it's legal. It may be evil. It may be contrary to the Constitution, but none of that matters. The federal government has absolute and final legal authority to determine the extent of its own powers.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Because I consider robbing Peter to pay Paul to be completely unethical.

    Unethical and VERY expensive.
    Why is not almost ALL government spending robbing somebody to pay for somebody else?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Sadly, Ernst, what the Constitution says is actually irrelevant. Yeah, we can read it and see what the federal government's powers are SUPPOSED to be. But if the federal government says something is legal, then it's legal. It may be evil. It may be contrary to the Constitution, but none of that matters. The federal government has absolute and final legal authority to determine the extent of its own powers.
    And in over 220 years not one Supreme Court decision has interpreted the powers of Congress like EB or others here believe they are to be interpreted.

    Think about what the implications of that. Even in the 1700's when the Founders themselves were on the court - no such interpretation.

    In the early 1800's when conservative interpretation ruled the day for decade after decade - no such interpretation was ever produced.

    And on and on and on it went from Court after Court after Court after Court. Not when the Courts were very conservative did such an interpretation ever come forth. And not when the Courts were liberal did such an interpretation ever come forth.

    EB cannot find a single decision which agrees with his extremist interpretation and has not even produced a single justice who agreed with him.

    But none of that matters to EB or his sycophants who apparently believe rather than know.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Nope never said that, it's a lie. Don't run away from our discussion and try to change the subject. You responded to "Where are the examples of the Federal Govt. solving a social problem?", with "What makes you think that was the goal?". Now answer the question. So far your arguments have been obliterated, because you can't give examples.
    Do you understand what a question is?

    Do you know the difference between a period used as punctuation and a question mark used as punctuation?

    I asked you a question based on your post. As such, a question to you clarifying your position CANNOT BE A LIE. It is impossible as it was a question which you could answer.

    As to obliterating any position I have taken, exactly what position was obliterated and in what post did that supposedly happen because I can find NOTHING which even comes close.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you understand what a question is?

    Do you know the difference between a period used as punctuation and a question mark used as punctuation?

    I asked you a question based on your post. As such, a question to you clarifying your position CANNOT BE A LIE. It is impossible as it was a question which you could answer.

    As to obliterating any position I have taken, exactly what position was obliterated and in what post did that supposedly happen because I can find NOTHING which even comes close.
    You have failed to provide examples, and brought into question the premise of social safety net objectives. In fact your statements imply social safety nets were never designed to solve problems.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

    The Declaration of Independence
    Sorry. I should have said, "While the federal government exists, is has absolute and final legal authority....blah...blah..blah"

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You have failed to provide examples, and brought into question the premise of social safety net objectives. In fact your statements imply social safety nets were never designed to solve problems.
    The premise of social safety net examples? The premise is to help people who need help. And that is what they do.

    Examples:
    people who are hungry get food stamps.
    people who are homeless get housing.
    people with kids get aid for those families.
    people who are sick and cannot pay get medical treatment

    Can you follow those examples? Can you get that helping those in need and alleviating their condition is proof of the programs success?

    yeah I know - silly questions!!!!!
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