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Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

As I said, I consider it immoral to rob Peter to pay Paul, so I think that the federal government should get out of that business. I leave it up to the bean-counters to figure out how to get the job done.

WOW! As somebody who works in government public policy I have to tell you that short sighted and not well thought out thinking like that gets absolutely nowhere and is not at all considered as serious by anyone who has to back up their ideas with actual facts, figures and step-by-step processes showing they can achieve their goals.
 
So. It looks like thus far the effects of the shut-down have equaled out the effects of the Obamacare debacle. Going forward, mind you, the only thing driving the numbers will be the continued Obamacare debacle....

..... until we find a way to do something else stupid.

Worth noting, however, is that the poll is of registered rather than likely voters, which will lean slightly D, and that "hoping the opposition really screws up" is not a terribly good strategy. :) Gonna be funny to watch Democrats begin to swing against ole O-Care.

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Only thing it proves is what intelligent folks have known all along: GOP voters are dumb as rocks, i. e. deluded enough to believe that GOP pols would actually repeal the mandate that's so profitable for their big insurer sponsors.
 
WOW! As somebody who works in government public policy I have to tell you that short sighted and not well thought out thinking like that gets absolutely nowhere and is not at all considered as serious by anyone who has to back up their ideas with actual facts, figures and step-by-step processes showing they can achieve their goals.

It is not necessary to back up the idea that something is immoral with facts and figures. I've already told you that I regard robbing Peter to pay Paul to be immoral and that the federal government should stop doing it. How we go about stopping is up to the politicians and bean counters.
 
It is not necessary to back up the idea that something is immoral with facts and figures. I hold that Robbing Peter to pay Paul is immoral, and that the federal government should stop doing so. How we go about doing so is up to the politicians and bean counters.

So that is your all purpose ace up your sleeve. Just declare what you do not like as immoral and it gets you off the hook from having to really engage in a detailed discussion of your ideas, their impact upon real people in the real world and our nation.

And you think this ruse is going to fool anybody?
 
So that is your all purpose ace up your sleeve. Just declare what you do not like as immoral and it gets you off the hook from having to really engage in a detailed discussion of your ideas, their impact upon real people in the real world and our nation.

And you think this ruse is going to fool anybody?

Fool them about what exactly?
 
Were Reagan's spending increases "temporary"? He tripled debt, and as a result his economy recovered because no one imposed austerity on it.

Look, we have been over this, the numbers speak for themselves, tripling the debt from 900 billion to 26. trillion while generating 17 million jobs, doubling GDP, increasing Tax revenue by 60%, and creating a peace dividend, Debt to GDP ratio less than 60%. Oh what it would be like to have those numbers today.

Tell me why you continue to support Obama and ignore his results?
 
Stop saying rich people are evil, unless you really mean it. Got it?

Isn't that what liberals think? Why else would a liberal support redistributions of wealth and higher taxes on the rich?
 
Stocks are soaring mostly due to monetary policy.
Jobs are stagnant due to GOP austerity.

From the Yellen article above:

You got the first part right, pouring 85 billion a month into the economy is what is keeping the GDP and stock market where it is

The second is a lie but typical of what I would expect of an Obamabot. GOP understands the private sector, you and Obama don't
 
You pretending to debate without actually debating the issue.

The issue is whether Peter ought to be robbed in order to pay Paul. So let's just clarify exactly where we disagree. Do you think it's right to rob Peter in order to pay Paul?
 
Isn't that what liberals think?
Not the liberals I know.
Why else would a liberal support redistributions of wealth and higher taxes on the rich?
Whenever taxes are paid wealth is redistributed. Higher taxes for the more affluent is nothing new and it does mean they are hated. They pay more because they are more dependent on the government and our infrastructure.
 
The issue is whether Peter ought to be robbed in order to pay Paul. So let's just clarify exactly where we disagree. Do you think it's right to rob Peter in order to pay Paul?

No - that is merely your belief. You have not shown anybody is robbing anybody.
 
Only thing it proves is what intelligent folks have known all along: GOP voters are dumb as rocks, i. e. deluded enough to believe that GOP pols would actually repeal the mandate that's so profitable for their big insurer sponsors.

Obama and the Democrats passed a law that will benefit big insurers? How does the GOP fit into this?
 
Not the liberals I know. Whenever taxes are paid wealth is redistributed. Higher taxes for the more affluent is nothing new and it does mean they are hated. They pay more because they are more dependent on the government and our infrastructure.

The rich are dependent and the poor are independent? That's a rather newish theory.
 
Not the liberals I know.

Whenever taxes are paid wealth is redistributed. Higher taxes for the more affluent is nothing new and it does mean they are hated. They pay more because they are more dependent on the government and our infrastructure.

When we have less than 50% of the income earners in this country paying Federal Income Taxes liberals don't have a problem with it. You are like far too many, no understanding of what your taxes fund nor the responsibility of the various governments we have, Federal, State, and local.

Typical liberalism is all about implementing social justice and jealousy. You show it every day.
 
No - that is merely your belief. You have not shown anybody is robbing anybody.

Of course it's my belief. I think it's wrong for the government to take money from one person and give it to someone else. Do you disagree with this opinion?
 
You got the first part right, pouring 85 billion a month into the economy is what is keeping the GDP and stock market where it is

The second is a lie but typical of what I would expect of an Obamabot. GOP understands the private sector, you and Obama don't
So, you know better than Yellen, Bernake a d the CEOs of multinational corporations like Wal-Mart and Cisco. Is that your argument?

The GOP is at war with Obama. They will do everything in their power to prevent him and the D's from getting credit for a booming economy, and that includes killing the economic recovery. Deficits didn't matter to Republicans when Bush and Reagan were in office, but now suddenly they do. Are you that brainwashed?
 
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You on the other hand seem to believe that welfare directed at Republicans is a tax cut which makes you exactly the kind of person Democrats of today love.
I wasn't really going to address your lies because they are just so out of this world but I've got nothing to do before the game starts...

1) Since I'm a libertarian and rarely vote for Democrats, I doubt I'm the type of person that Democrats love.

2) Welfare "directed" at Republicans is the same welfare that anyone else gets. Food stamps, section 8 housing benefits, medicare, and medicaid. The difference is that conservatives bleat and moan about welfare while demonizing people who receive them.

3) The vast majority of southern states are red states. The vast majority of southern state take more federal money than they give. Republicans love welfare right up until welfare they like is on the chopping block. Then all of a sudden it doesn't become about "welfare" it becomes about illegal immigrants or "California bailouts".

4) Because it can't be stressed enough, you are a liar. It literally defines you and who you are. Anyone who disagrees with you on anything is a "liberal". I've seen you throw that claim at centrists, unidentifieds, libertarians, independents, and even conservatives. All you have is labeling someone a "liberal" and it's become cartoonish. You're a caricature of a parody in your simplistic partisanship. I would have ignored your cartoonish buffoonary but I've got some free time and it is important to call out liars, lest they influence someone in society.
 
Look, we have been over this, the numbers speak for themselves, tripling the debt from 900 billion to 26. trillion while generating 17 million jobs, doubling GDP, increasing Tax revenue by 60%, and creating a peace dividend, Debt to GDP ratio less than 60%. Oh what it would be like to have those numbers today.

Tell me why you continue to support Obama and ignore his results?

The Dems did not enact austerity measures during the Reagan recovery like the GOP is doing now under Obama. Austerity alone accounts for 2-3 million fewer jobs. Those missing jobs are the GOP's fault not Obama's. Everyone from Bernake to the CEO of Wal-Mart knows it. The only people arguing otherwise are the RW partisan hacks at Fox, Talk Radio and the WSJ Op-Ed Page.

Do you claim you know better than people who deal with the economy for a living?
 
I wasn't really going to address your lies because they are just so out of this world but I've got nothing to do before the game starts...

1) Since I'm a libertarian and rarely vote for them, I doubt I'm the type of person that Democrats love.

2) Welfare "directed" at Republicans is the same welfare that anyone else gets. Food stamps, section 8 housing benefits, medicare, and medicaid. The difference is that conservatives bleat and moan about welfare while demonizing people who receive them.

3) The vast majority of southern states are red states. The vast majority of southern state take more federal money than they give. Republicans love welfare right up until welfare they like is on the chopping block. Then all of a sudden it doesn't become about "welfare" it becomes about illegal immigrants or "California bailouts".

4) Because it can't be stressed enough, you are a liar. It literally defines you and who you are. Anyone who disagrees with you on anything is a "liberal". I've seen you throw that claim at centrists, unidentifieds, libertarians, independents, and even conservatives. All you have is labeling someone a "liberal" and it's become cartoonish. You're a caricature of a parody in your simplistic partisanship. I would have ignored your cartoonish buffoonary but I've got some free time and it is important to call out liars, lest they influence someone in society.

Conservative is either a paid RW hack, hired to disrupt forums like this, or he is so far gone, he'd vote Sarah Palin in as president.
 
So, you know better than Yellen, Bernake a d the CEOs of multinational corporations like Wal-Mart and Cisco. Is that your argument?

The GOP is at war with Obama. They will do everything in their power to prevent him and the D's from getting credit for a booming economy, and that includes killing the economic recovery. Deficits didn't matter to Republicans when Bush and Reagan were in office, but now suddenly they do. Are you that brainwashed?

No, just more than you

You have no concept of leadership. The Democrats were at war with Reagan too but Reagan showed leadership skills, something neither you or Obama understand.

Keep diverting and ignoring the Obama record as any good little Obamabot will do
 
The Dems did not enact austerity measures during the Reagan recovery like the GOP is doing now under Obama. Austerity alone accounts for 2-3 million fewer jobs. Those missing jobs are the GOP's fault not Obama's. Everyone from Bernake to the CEO of Wal-Mart knows it. The only people arguing otherwise are the RW partisan hacks at Fox, Talk Radio and the WSJ Op-Ed Page.

Do you claim you know better than people who deal with the economy for a living?

Only need to be better than you and I have proven that.

Missing in your world is personal responsibility and the failure of liberalism as well as leadership. Looks like 60% of the people in this country disagree with you but then what would anyone else expect from an Obamabot
 
Of course it's my belief. I think it's wrong for the government to take money from one person and give it to someone else. Do you disagree with this opinion?

You keep using the term ROBBING or ROB. That is ridiculous hyperbole.
 
You keep using the term ROBBING or ROB. That is ridiculous hyperbole.

Okay, let's say "tax". I think it's wrong for the government to tax money from one person and give it to someone else. Do you disagree with this opinion?
 
No - that is merely your belief. You have not shown anybody is robbing anybody.

So you're OK with the income redistribution concept but prefer to call taxation, for that purpose, "taking by force of law"?
 
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