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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would do several things:

    1- cut at least $500 billion from the current spending including some military spending, some foreign spending, some welfare spending, and other areas.
    We have this, it's called sequester, and demo's are screaming like stuck pigs over it.

    2- raise the income taxes of ALL earners a full five points across all tax brackets
    More taxes? Shocking! Good grief, Between Federal, State, Local, Federal programs like FICA, and Med taxes, Sales, and hidden taxes, I pay north of 45% of the income I already make, which is just over $50K....Isn't that enough?

    3- tax ALL money coming into a persons pocket or accounts using the regular income tax schedule
    I earned that money, it isn't yours.

    4- mandate that a certain portion of this amount be used to reduce the deficit annually
    Yeah, good luck with that one...We currently have a charlatan in office now who ran on his predecessor debt being "unpatriotic" then he came in and doubled it, doubled the deficit, then reduced it by 20% and calls that a success.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All government spending contributes to the deficit. To single one area or one program out is intellectually dishonest.
    What? I have to support ALL federal programs or I have to support NO federal programs?

    I'll decide to support what I think are effective and ethical government programs. The federal government robbing Peter to pay Paul is neither effective nor ethical.

    I'll single out and criticize whatever programs I choose.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I was responding to your claim. If you don't want your claims debated, don't make them.
    That is the point you should take to heart. If you want to dispute anything I said simply provide evidence of the positions you claim I have taken. Your total and complete failure to do that is simply a personal attack shooting from the hip without anything behind it but your own vitriol.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    What? I have to support ALL federal programs or I have to support NO federal programs?

    I'll decide to support what I think are effective and ethical government programs. The federal government robbing Peter to pay Paul is neither effective nor ethical.

    I'll single out and criticize whatever programs I choose.
    Of course you will. And that is your right. But ALL spending the government does contributes to the deficit and that is simply a fact of reality. To single out one program and pretend that it is responsible for the deficit is not either TRUE nor is it intellectually honest.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is the point you should take to heart. If you want to dispute anything I said simply provide evidence of the positions you claim I have taken.
    I did that. I believe that I've discredited your claim that was supposed to support your position.

    Your total and complete failure to do that is simply a personal attack shooting from the hip without anything behind it but your own vitriol.
    Irrelevant. I disproved your claim.

    Make your argument without BS claims.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We have this, it's called sequester, and demo's are screaming like stuck pigs over it.



    More taxes? Shocking! Good grief, Between Federal, State, Local, Federal programs like FICA, and Med taxes, Sales, and hidden taxes, I pay north of 45% of the income I already make, which is just over $50K....Isn't that enough?



    I earned that money, it isn't yours.



    Yeah, good luck with that one...We currently have a charlatan in office now who ran on his predecessor debt being "unpatriotic" then he came in and doubled it, doubled the deficit, then reduced it by 20% and calls that a success.
    I see lots of screaming about it including Republicans who want to protect their favorite programs.

    Obviously we are not paying enough as I read daily on this very site all the vitriol about the deficit an debt. So lets pay our bills. I suggest a program of seriously cutting spending on the one side of the ledger while raising revenues on the other side of the ledger. Is there a third column I do not know about?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We have this, it's called sequester, and demo's are screaming like stuck pigs over it.


    The Sequester: Absolutely everything you could possibly need to know, in one FAQ

    according to this source the amount is less than one-fifth of the cuts I am proposing
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course you will. And that is your right. But ALL spending the government does contributes to the deficit and that is simply a fact of reality. To single out one program and pretend that it is responsible for the deficit is not either TRUE nor is it intellectually honest.

    In my brief time on this board, I notice you are very free with your accusations of intellectual dishonesty.

    Please re-read what I wrote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Should not be done by the federal government. The failure of administering something as personal as charity at the federal level is evidenced by the massive deficit spending required to do so.
    Now please explain what is dishonest about saying that these programs require massive deficit spending. Is it not true that these programs require massive deficit spending?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I did that. I believe that I've discredited your claim that was supposed to support your position.



    Irrelevant. I disproved your claim.

    Make your argument without BS claims.
    your belief counts for nothing in the way of evidence. provide the actual evidence in the actual positions I took by producing my own words.

    or apologize and repent for your dishonest fraud.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    In my brief time on this board, I notice you are very free with your accusations of intellectual dishonesty.

    Please re-read what I wrote.



    Now please explain what is dishonest about saying that these programs require massive deficit spending. Is it not true that these programs require massive deficit spending?
    I have already explained that to you. All government spending contributes to the deficit. To single out one program and pretend that it is the cause while ignoring the others is basically intellectually dishonest.
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