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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I wish you wouldn't imagine that freezing the debt cieling means shutting down the govt. The govt enjoys almost $3 trillion of income - the only thing shut down is the $700 billion "more" it wants to spend that it wouldn't be able too any longer.
    Of course I understand that, my point was I wouldn't have voted to extend the debt ceiling when it was 14.9 trillion. We are on the same page.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would do several things:

    1- cut at least $500 billion from the current spending including some military spending, some foreign spending, some welfare spending, and other areas.
    2- raise the income taxes of ALL earners a full five points across all tax brackets
    3- tax ALL money coming into a persons pocket or accounts using the regular income tax schedule
    4- mandate that a certain portion of this amount be used to reduce the deficit annually
    The federal government doesn't even have a budget, and hasn't had one for a while. Without a budget it's just difficult to plan, program or cut what's unnecessay. No family, business or nation can ever progress without a budget and with a clear understanding of income and expenses.

    Now the government just prints or borrows money when they feel they need it and, as well, is encouraging the populace to take more government money. This house of cards cannot last.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would do several things:

    1- cut at least $500 billion from the current spending including some military spending, some foreign spending, some welfare spending, and other areas.
    2- raise the income taxes of ALL earners a full five points across all tax brackets
    3- tax ALL money coming into a persons pocket or accounts using the regular income tax schedule
    4- mandate that a certain portion of this amount be used to reduce the deficit annually
    I have no problem with the spending cuts but you don't grow your way out of this massive debt by increasing taxes at all. What you do is force every American that earns income to pay something in net Federal Income taxes. Less than 50% of the people earning income now have a net income tax payment to the Federal Govt. Increasing taxes on those who pay taxes now isn't the answer, growth is

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Should not be done by the federal government. The failure of administering something as personal as charity at the federal level is evidenced by the massive deficit spending required to do so.
    All government spending contributes to the deficit. To single one area or one program out is intellectually dishonest.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Except for the middleman, the bureaucracy and the politicians, who take a huge cut along the way. What percentage of those tax dollars taken in actually reach the people for whom they were designed?

    People should help people more directly.
    How much does that account for?
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I have no problem with the spending cuts but you don't grow your way out of this massive debt by increasing taxes at all. What you do is force every American that earns income to pay something in net Federal Income taxes. Less than 50% of the people earning income now have a net income tax payment to the Federal Govt. Increasing taxes on those who pay taxes now isn't the answer, growth is
    My programs mandates that ALL people who earn money pay Federal income tax.
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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All government spending contributes to the deficit. To single one area or one program out is intellectually dishonest.
    How so? Of course all government spending increases the deficit but programs and areas of spending must be cut or eliminated in order to get back to some fiscal order.. There is nothing dishonest in that.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have no case to rest as you failed to quote any position I have ever taken.

    Your personal crusade is getting a bit sad to watch unfold.
    I was responding to your claim. If you don't want your claims debated, don't make them.

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My programs mandates that ALL people who earn money pay Federal income tax.
    Would that be like a flat tax?

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    Re: Republicans mount shock comeback, erase Democrats’ edge in eyes of Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My programs mandates that ALL people who earn money pay Federal income tax.
    You advocated raising the taxes 5% on all brackets. I don't support a raise in taxes on anyone already paying taxes. There is more than enough revenue available today to fund a reasonable Federal Govt. and pay down the debt.

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