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    Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction - Yahoo

    None of the DNA collected at the scene -- the footprints and fingerprints -- matched Ferguson's, but the jury decided that testimony from Charles Erickson, one of Ferguson's classmates who claimed they had murdered Heitholt together, and Jerry Trump, a janitor who identified Ferguson as one of the two men he saw in the parking lot after the murder, was enough to convict him.

    Based on their testimony, the juror said the 12-member jury's decision to convict Ferguson was unanimous.

    "Charles Erickson and Jerry Trump hold a lot of weight in our minds," he said. "Everybody had the same feeling that because of Mr. Erickson and Mr. Trump that yes, he was guilty."

    The juror also blamed Ferguson's trial lawyer at the time, saying he was "very hard to follow" and not very effective at delivering his case.
    The juror also blamed Ferguson's trial lawyer at the time, saying he was "very hard to follow" and not very effective at delivering his case.
    This young man spent 10 years of his life in jail and the best they can say is "sorry"? Every ****ing juror should be sent to jail for 10 years over this and see how they like it. I hope he sues the living **** out of the state over this and wins.
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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Well hell, if we're going to imprison jurors for convicting based on witness testimony they found credible, can we go ahead and imprison them for walking a defendant that ends up killing again? If we're going to impose a "be perfect or be in prison" standard, it'll have to go both ways otherwise every jury will acquit no matter how strong the evidence.

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    The entire CJS is broken, largely because of inept jurors. Anyone of moderate intelligence can get out of jury duty, for one (yes, i managed to get myself kicked off), which the leaves the lowest common denominator. The average settlement after cases like this is in the millions. It's such an ass backwards system. With all the unemployed PhD's out there, find some people capable of problem solving, pay them well and have them serve every court case. Unbelievable that people are still convicted of murder based solely on two clowns' testimony, and all that imbecile juror can do is blame the lawyer for being "hard to follow."

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    [QUOTE=Hatuey;1062542647]Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction - Yahoo


    It's rather hard to judge the issue without looking at the court proceeding more closely, given the fact that the prosecution withheld evidence and two witnesses lied. Just goes to show how problematic our court system really is and why the death penalty makes little sense. Also, I'm not sure what would be accomplished by punishing the jury.

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    We know virutally NOTHING about the case other than a few snippets of what was presented. The jurors were presented with a coconspirator that admitted guilt and named his accomplice and an eyewitness, as well as a compelling case for conviction and what sounds like an incompetent (or at least incoherent) defense attorney. I understand being upset that the guy was falsely convicted, but I am not sure how this case serves as an indictment of a justice system or jury trials. Would people prefer there be NO trials unless the individuals not only were caught in the act but also confessed to committing the act?

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    The entire CJS is broken, largely because of inept jurors. Anyone of moderate intelligence can get out of jury duty, for one (yes, i managed to get myself kicked off), which the leaves the lowest common denominator. The average settlement after cases like this is in the millions. It's such an ass backwards system. With all the unemployed PhD's out there, find some people capable of problem solving, pay them well and have them serve every court case. Unbelievable that people are still convicted of murder based solely on two clowns' testimony, and all that imbecile juror can do is blame the lawyer for being "hard to follow."
    May I ask why you would throw your right to be a Juror away?
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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    The entire CJS is broken, largely because of inept jurors. Anyone of moderate intelligence can get out of jury duty, for one (yes, i managed to get myself kicked off), which the leaves the lowest common denominator. The average settlement after cases like this is in the millions. It's such an ass backwards system. With all the unemployed PhD's out there, find some people capable of problem solving, pay them well and have them serve every court case. Unbelievable that people are still convicted of murder based solely on two clowns' testimony, and all that imbecile juror can do is blame the lawyer for being "hard to follow."
    Sadly it is not only the jurors that are the problem.. judges too and of course the whole elected prosecutor system.

    Saw an article about people who got sentenced for life without parole for first time minor offences. There was one guy where his crime usually meant 9 years, but the judge said life without parole.. I mean wtf?
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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Saw an article about people who got sentenced for life without parole for first time minor offences. There was one guy where his crime usually meant 9 years, but the judge said life without parole.. I mean wtf?
    can you offer some sources?

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    can you offer some sources?
    I can, but I am guessing you wont accept it.

    https://www.aclu.org/living-death-se...hind-bars-what
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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I can, but I am guessing you wont accept it.

    https://www.aclu.org/living-death-se...hind-bars-what
    lol. I love when people react that way to a reasonable request, especially with your history of basically making **** up, exaggerating, and talking out your ass.


    <<<One of the judges who reviewed Patrick's appeal said he did not "believe that the ends of justice are met by a mandatory sentence for this 22-year-old," but that legislation mandated sending Patrick away for the rest of his life because of unarmed burglary convictions when he was 17.>>>

    Should have figured mandatory minimums would play into this. They tend to be responsible for all manner of totally senseless sentencing outcomes and create situations where the appeals process *and judges* are really powerless to deal with such things or show any level of reasonable discretion.

    Apparently his trouble stems from a lengthy past record. It would be interesting to know the exact details of his prior convictions

    <<<Matthews, who had been addicted to methamphetamine and heroin as a teen, got the harsh sentence under Louisiana's Habitual Offender Law because of several prior convictions tied to a single burglary that happened when he was 17, according to the ACLU.>>>

    Read more: Patrick W. Matthews' Mandatory Minimum Sentence - Business Insider

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