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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    The entire CJS is broken, largely because of inept jurors. Anyone of moderate intelligence can get out of jury duty, for one (yes, i managed to get myself kicked off), which the leaves the lowest common denominator. The average settlement after cases like this is in the millions. It's such an ass backwards system. With all the unemployed PhD's out there, find some people capable of problem solving, pay them well and have them serve every court case. Unbelievable that people are still convicted of murder based solely on two clowns' testimony, and all that imbecile juror can do is blame the lawyer for being "hard to follow."
    The entire criminal justice system is NOT broken. Every day in every state jurors do their duty admirably well. Sometimes a jury errs, but the reason this story is news is because it's extraordinary rather than ordinary.

    The two eyewitnesses didn't recant their testimony during the trial. Erickson says he made up accounts of murder - Columbia Daily Tribune | Columbia Missouri: Crime

    There are Ph.D.s who serve on juries. Every day and simply because, like everybody else, they're ordinary good citizens. Holding a doctorate doesn't make them necessarily any better qualified to serve on a jury.

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    lol. I love when people react that way to a reasonable request, especially with your history of basically making **** up, exaggerating, and talking out your ass.
    Yea I make up ****.. sure.. and the usual reaction from right wingers when using sources like ACLU or Amnesty or even Huffington Post is dismissive because it does not fit into their narrowminded world view.

    <<<One of the judges who reviewed Patrick's appeal said he did not "believe that the ends of justice are met by a mandatory sentence for this 22-year-old," but that legislation mandated sending Patrick away for the rest of his life because of unarmed burglary convictions when he was 17.>>>

    Should have figured mandatory minimums would play into this. They tend to be responsible for all manner of totally senseless sentencing outcomes and create situations where the appeals process *and judges* are really powerless to deal with such things or show any level of reasonable discretion.

    Apparently his trouble stems from a lengthy past record. It would be interesting to know the exact details of his prior convictions

    <<<Matthews, who had been addicted to methamphetamine and heroin as a teen, got the harsh sentence under Louisiana's Habitual Offender Law because of several prior convictions tied to a single burglary that happened when he was 17, according to the ACLU.>>>

    Read more: Patrick W. Matthews' Mandatory Minimum Sentence - Business Insider
    And so what? It is still an idiotic sentence and far from the only one. The US justice system is flawed from top to bottom if they allow **** like this. The punishment should meet the crime no? How about a first time minor offence that gets you life without parole.. how is that fair?
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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction - Yahoo





    This young man spent 10 years of his life in jail and the best they can say is "sorry"? Every ****ing juror should be sent to jail for 10 years over this and see how they like it. I hope he sues the living **** out of the state over this and wins.
    Instead of sending them to the big house where society has to pay for them, a one day public event should be held where they receive a lashing for every day the innocent man was incarcerated.

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    [QUOTE=Hatuey;1062542647]Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction - Yahoo

    You can't really blame the jury for garbage in-garbage out. But I agree that many juries today are merely rubber stamps for the prosecution, and led by the nose by the court.

    This juror who has spoken out should have followed his conscience AND the law--innocent until proven guilty.

    The story rather reminds me of the Central Park 5. A very sad story.

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea I make up ****.. sure
    Yeah, you do. I've personally addressed about a dozen times where you go off on some baseless anti-american tangent that has no supporting evidence behind it.


    and the usual reaction from right wingers when using sources like ACLU or Amnesty or even Huffington Post is dismissive because it does not fit into their narrowminded world view.
    Ugh, I've been donating to the ACLU since I was 18. And it's hard to take someone seriously when they try to equate the huffington post with the ACLU and Amnesty International



    And so what? It is still an idiotic sentence and far from the only one.
    Lol, where did I defend it? I was pointing to the fact the issue with MM do not stem from the judge like you originally asserted, but are codified into legislation that actually removes the ability of the judge to show discretion

    The US justice system is flawed from top to bottom if they allow **** like this. The punishment should meet the crime no? How about a first time minor offence that gets you life without parole.. how is that fair?
    did you even read what I linked to? The issue rested on the fact it WAS NOT a first time offense ...

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    I'm less upset with jurors than I am with malicious prosecutors who in many of these cases should know better. I think we need to do a more rigorous job of investigating prosecutorial misconduct and apply a broader definition to that category.

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sadly it is not only the jurors that are the problem.. judges too and of course the whole elected prosecutor system.

    Saw an article about people who got sentenced for life without parole for first time minor offences. There was one guy where his crime usually meant 9 years, but the judge said life without parole.. I mean wtf?
    This is why i didn't say "completely." Anyone who takes an intro criminology class can learn how broken our system is at all levels.

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea I make up ****.. sure.. and the usual reaction from right wingers when using sources like ACLU or Amnesty or even Huffington Post is dismissive because it does not fit into their narrowminded world view.



    And so what? It is still an idiotic sentence and far from the only one. The US justice system is flawed from top to bottom if they allow **** like this. The punishment should meet the crime no? How about a first time minor offence that gets you life without parole.. how is that fair?
    At least california got rid of the draconian 3 strikes law, where people got life for stealing golf clubs, but only because it was bankrupting the state. American "justice" conjures images of the gulag, and the worst part is most seem to have to no problem with that, thinking deterring crime (it doesn't) justifies any affront to proportionality.

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    This is why i didn't say "completely." Anyone who takes an intro criminology class can learn how broken our system is at all levels.
    maybe it's just a streak of populism, but I see the biggest issue as being that justice and innocence seem to be highly dependent on access to cash.

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    Re: Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    At least california got rid of the draconian 3 strikes law, where people got life for stealing golf clubs, but only because it was bankrupting the state. American "justice" conjures images of the gulag, and the worst part is most seem to have to no problem with that, thinking deterring crime (it doesn't) justifies any affront to proportionality.
    A big part of the maintenance of those laws and the fight against decriminalization came from the prison guards union in California, who 's history reads like some type of Orwellian nightmare and really speaks to the issues of public sector unions

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