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Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction

The jurors did nothing wrong. Two eye witnesses including one who admitted to the crime swore with certainty it was him.

IF it has been positively proven he did not do it, those two witnesses should be prosecuted.

THE #1 FLAW in the criminal justice system is that there is essentially NO punishment for perjury.


There should be NO statute of limitations on perjury, it should be VIGOROUS prosecuted, and the penalties should be SEVERELY harsh - and based upon the level of the case perjury is given in. If in a 1st degree felony case? Perjury should be a 2nd degree felony with mandatory LONG prison time. Again, NO statute of limitations as perjury is often discovered years or decades later. There really is no reason for anyone to just not lie in court as DAs will not prosecute their own witnesses.

There also should be civil liability with no statute of limitations for perjury - where now even outright perjury in court is protected from civil lawsuits. If in court I declare you are a murderer, rapist, and thief, that is protected from any civil lawsuit for slander even if a total lie and proven a total lie. I don't think many people know that.
 
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Instead of sending them to the big house where society has to pay for them, a one day public event should be held where they receive a lashing for every day the innocent man was incarcerated.

I oppose torture as a punishment. In this instance, it would mean being tortured to death as 3000+ lashes would kill someone long, long before all were done. I don't think many people really understand how torturous being whipped is.
 
Ryan Ferguson Juror 'Sorry' For 2004 Murder Conviction - Yahoo

This young man spent 10 years of his life in jail and the best they can say is "sorry"? Every ****ing juror should be sent to jail for 10 years over this and see how they like it. I hope he sues the living **** out of the state over this and wins.

You're kidding, right?? Send the jurors to jail for an incorrect verdict?? Uh, no.

He'll no doubt be compensated by taxpayers of the state. It won't be enough, but it's the best we can do.

Mistakes happen. If the jury was "happy" with contradictory evidence, which is what the DNA and footprints really are, then that's the way it is.

It's not right. I wish we could do better.

Talk about "a chilling effect." Lordy.
 
The entire CJS is broken, largely because of inept jurors. Anyone of moderate intelligence can get out of jury duty, for one (yes, i managed to get myself kicked off), which the leaves the lowest common denominator. The average settlement after cases like this is in the millions. It's such an ass backwards system. With all the unemployed PhD's out there, find some people capable of problem solving, pay them well and have them serve every court case. Unbelievable that people are still convicted of murder based solely on two clowns' testimony, and all that imbecile juror can do is blame the lawyer for being "hard to follow."

"the lowest common demoninator" = city and county workers that get paid their full salary to be on jury duty
 
And for profit prisons had nothing to do with it?

The CCPOa is/was an extremely powerful political organization that was able to directly shape policy and legislation through their organizing effort[/quote]

With the ballot system in CA, it could have been gotten rid of much sooner, but the public even in "liberal" states actually believes that 3 strikes is justice.

Actually the CCPOA was able to extend their influence well into political campaigns, often serving the roll of king maker in state politics. Their lobbying budget was quite extraordinary
 
The CCPOa is/was an extremely powerful political organization that was able to directly shape policy and legislation through their organizing effort

Actually the CCPOA was able to extend their influence well into political campaigns, often serving the roll of king maker in state politics. Their lobbying budget was quite extraordinary

Of course. It's just that i prefer blaming the people instead of media/lobbying. If they are so easily swayed they shouldn't be able to vote on laws like 3 strikes, nor the legislature for that matter.

But for profit prisons do exist and they only facilitate corruption. They were behind the "show me your papers" laws for Hispanics. But again to be fair, the people were ultimately responsible for that too for reelecting janet brewer.
 
Of course. It's just that i prefer blaming the people instead of media/lobbying. If they are so easily swayed they shouldn't be able to vote on laws like 3 strikes, nor the legislature for that matter. But for profit prisons do exist and they only facilitate corruption.

I'm fully aware of the for profit prison industry, but am unfamiliar with any having the type of influence and control over policy akin to the CCPOA. They were one of the most powerful political forces in california state politics for years, and were able to dictate everything from state oversight of correctional officers, to payment schemes. Any policy that was quasi-related to their interests they were able to control and shape, through a multi-level system of influence peddling
 
I'm fully aware of the for profit prison industry, but am unfamiliar with any having the type of influence and control over policy akin to the CCPOA. They were one of the most powerful political forces in california state politics for years, and were able to dictate everything from state oversight of correctional officers, to payment schemes. Any policy that was quasi-related to their interests they were able to control and shape, through a multi-level system of influence peddling

But i'm sure the wardens don't want to be laid off either. There's a city in this state where a huge proportion of state inmates are sent. Well, you can guess that city does not want to lessen sentencing or remove drug laws, because it will hurt their economy. Rampant selfishness is behind every injustice. Doesn't matter if it's the guards, judges, their clerks, the lawyers themselves. It's all part of the same system and the voters are the unwitting meal ticket.
 
But i'm sure the wardens don't want to be laid off either. There's a city in this state where a huge proportion of state inmates are sent. Well, you can guess that city does not want to lessen sentencing or remove drug laws, because it will hurt their economy. Rampant selfishness is behind every injustice. Doesn't matter if it's the guards, judges, their clerks, the lawyers themselves. It's all part of the same system and the voters are the unwitting meal ticket.

no one is arguing against that, what I am underlining is the size, organizational force, and means to leverage influence from the CCPOA. Just a few years ago they were unrivaled in Californian politics and despite much effort, still remain one of the most powerful political organizations in the state. I suggest reading up on their history

http://www.law.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/child-page/266901/doc/slspublic/BCarassco-wp4_06.pdf
 
no one is arguing against that, what I am underlining is the size, organizational force, and means to leverage influence from the CCPOA. Just a few years ago they were unrivaled in Californian politics and despite much effort, still remain one of the most powerful political organizations in the state. I suggest reading up on their history

http://www.law.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/child-page/266901/doc/slspublic/BCarassco-wp4_06.pdf

Interesting, but i have no objection to breaking them up and drastically decreasing prison guards (and cells). Whatever results in a less insane justice system.
 
Interesting, but i have no objection to breaking them up and drastically decreasing prison guards (and cells). Whatever results in a less insane justice system.

I didn't think you did. I was just underlying the fact that how they were able to influence California state politics was pretty unprecedented
 
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