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It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

I heard on the news today that one reason the president is standing fast on the implementation dates and will not extend the deadline is the insurance companies who went along with the ACA are really pushing the president hard against it. They need their money now, not 6 months or a year from now as they are now insuring are these folks with pre-existing condidtions which is causing them to lose money without the input of the healthy invinceables. This was reported on our 24hours news radio channel, a Cumulus broadcasting company. Not Fox. It seems to make sense, but I haven't heard any of this on the other news outlets.

You've hit the key point in this. Those in immediate need are signing up, and they'll be drawing from the funds received just as immediately and in high dollar amounts.

Those who are not in immediate need aren't signing up, and they're the ones needed to float the note.
 
UPDATE: Only 26,794 of Obamacare enrollments came through the federal exchange. The rest, 79,000+ have received their coverage through state exchanges. Here is a state-by-state breakdown of the number of people who have enrolled through the federal exchange.....snip~


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Yo.....Whats Up with Texas? Knock that BS off.....now you know why the Dems are pushing to turn Texas Blue.
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I just heard that the Obama administration just announced that less than 27 K have actually signed up for Obamacare using Obama's website.

As was predicted, they lied and included those who were still shopping to their numbers.

If you happen on the website by accident, you signed up. :lamo
 
And you're left hoping things go wrong for ACA, one day at a time..
Apparently the Dem Senators up for re-election don't have that kind of time.
Synonymous with being against Obama and drones, since it is Obama using them..
 
I am lookin now for Medicaid roll outs to. But do you think that part about people keeping their kids on their insurance until 26 is showing up as the problem the Democrats didn't place much significance upon?

Also there are theses Updates.

UPDATE II: In a conference call with reporters, Sebelius said, "The marketplace is working," and "We can reasonably expect these numbers will grow substantially over the next five months."

UPDATE III: Naturally, the HHS enrollment site where official numbers are posted, has crashed.....snip~

the law of unintended consequences, short answer, yes. That portion is keeping quite a lot of the young invinceables from applying for health insurance that is needed to counter act the older and those with pre-existing conditions.

One of the biggest problems as I see it. This law was passed by those who assumed people, companies, everyone and everything wouldn't change their habits or the way they do things. When dealing with something this big and sweeping, people adjust, change habits, so to do companies, they don't continue to do things their old ways when the rules of the game has changed. No one can take everything or anticipate how people will react in the future when everything they knew and were use to has changed, is gone, no longer there. Yep, the law of unintended consequences certainly does apply. Murphy is alive and well, as in Murphy's law.
 
Yo.....Whats Up with Texas? Knock that BS off.....now you know why the Dems are pushing to turn Texas Blue.
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We have a lot of illegals down on the south side that are waiting in the "shopping cart" in case amnesty gets passed soon. LOL
 
sorry you don't like the government facts--they will eat you up each new day and today is only day 43--
at this point with Romney care, less than 200 signed up

they are not facts they are counting crap that is not accurate just more deceitful crap from the liar in chief
could amazon get away with items sitting in their online cart as sales? hell no they cant

and you want to take a victory lap about deceitful figures when even with those deceitful figures they are 5 times lower then what the needed after 1 month. what a joke
 
Those in immediate need are signing up, and they'll be drawing
from the funds received just as immediately and in high dollar amounts.
So if you were in immediate need, what would you do??
 
But they are related..
Just like the House refuses to do immigration until they do their ACA bill, if they ever can..
And we know they can't do a farm or transportation bill..

The machinations of the Congress are all interrelated..

Did Dems hold up nominations over Iraq, Medicare part d??

Do you have any concept of how government works?
 
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The numbers are now going up..
Democratic poll numbers are down in a few RED states--that is true--will those numbers rebound??
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Looks to me like the Democrats numbers are falling:
Generic Congressional Vote Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Democrats Republicans Spread
Quinnipiac 11/6 - 11/11 2545 RV 39 39 Tie
Rasmussen Reports 11/4 - 11/10 3500 LV 41 39 Democrats +2
PPP (D) 10/29 - 10/31 649 RV 44 38 Democrats +6
GWU/Battleground 10/27 - 10/31 1000 LV 44 41 Democrats +3
FOX News 10/20 - 10/22 1020 RV 45 37 Democrats +8
CNN/Opinion Research 10/18 - 10/20 RV 50 42 Democrats +8
 
the law of unintended consequences, short answer, yes. That portion is keeping quite a lot of the young invinceables from applying for health insurance that is needed to counter act the older and those with pre-existing conditions.

One of the biggest problems as I see it. This law was passed by those who assumed people, companies, everyone and everything wouldn't change their habits or the way they do things. When dealing with something this big and sweeping, people adjust, change habits, so to do companies, they don't continue to do things their old ways when the rules of the game has changed. No one can take everything or anticipate how people will react in the future when everything they knew and were use to has changed, is gone, no longer there. Yep, the law of unintended consequences certainly does apply. Murphy is alive and well, as in Murphy's law.

Look at Florida.....they are leading the Way. Rubio is toast.
 
And you're left hoping things go wrong for ACA, one day at a time..

Synonymous with being against Obama and drones, since it is Obama using them..

Hope and change baby.
 
It does make sense. What was never properly explained, from my perspective, was what incentive does an insurance company have to offer insurance to those with existing conditions when the vast majority of the healthy and uninsured will simply pay the tax/fine and stay uninsured. There is a clear disconnect there, from what I can see. What's likely going to happen is that everyone who has insurance or gets insurance is going to see it climb dramatically until such time as the tax/fine becomes higher than the cost of insurance.

I'll wait and see. but the theory seems sound.
 
Not only can you not prove what you just said, you are saying that numbers that
Republikans agreed upon today are not true, just going back to the liar-in-chief meme..
they are not facts they are counting crap that is not accurate just more deceitful crap from the liar in chief
could amazon get away with items sitting in their online cart as sales? hell no they cant
 
These two numbers came out of the government SEPARATE today, as they should have..
Makes that 50,000 FOX meme look silly don't you think??
Have you seen the one million number yet..
And they will only get better each day, the GOP's greatest nightmare .

You're absolutely right. I've been looking at a number of sites that are saying the exchange number should be closer to 1.5M since that's the number that have signed up to see what plans are available. On those sites the consensus seems to be that when Nov. numbers are released we'll see 1M plus new signups.

I should add, as a caveat, that those sites are DU and DK.
 
But they are related..
Just like the House refuses to do immigration until they do their ACA bill, if they ever can..
And we know they can't do a farm or transportation bill..

The machinations of the Congress are all interrelated..
They are not related.

Did Dems hold up nominations over Iraq, Medicare part d??

As a matter of fact, the Dems held up hundreds of Bush's nominations for multiple political reasons. Both parties use the same tactics. It's called political brinksmanship.
 
You've hit the key point in this. Those in immediate need are signing up, and they'll be drawing from the funds received just as immediately and in high dollar amounts.

Those who are not in immediate need aren't signing up, and they're the ones needed to float the note.

It made sense to me for standing firm on all the deadlines to include opening the enrollment date with a bum website. Pressure from those who went along with this.
 
How does it feel to be hoping for the government to fail??

Do you think I'm making it fail, by hoping? Frankly I think you pulling the lever for Obama had more to do with failure.
 
You're absolutely right. I've been looking at a number of sites that are saying the exchange number should be closer to 1.5M since that's the number that have signed up to see what plans are available. On those sites the consensus seems to be that when Nov. numbers are released we'll see 1M plus new signups.

I should add, as a caveat, that those sites are DU and DK.

i think more people will sign up as the deadline approaches.
 
Look at Florida.....they are leading the Way. Rubio is toast.

Close to 3600, I wouldn't say Rubio is toast when considering all them people Florida has. Florida is one unique state with very little native population and a bunch of snow birds from other sections of the country. Around Atlanta we have more none native Georgians living in and around than native Georgians. Of course Atlanta's politics is completely different from the rest of the state.
 
I'm behind by 17 posts MMC..Obviously I don't know what I'm talking about..Why are these folks wasting their time on someone who calls Darrel Issa the crook he's always been..Thanks for the data..Now you know why Rubio is putting forth his own ACA bill..He's lost in space on immigration also .
Look at Florida.....they are leading the Way. Rubio is toast.
 
Looks to me like the Democrats numbers are falling:
Generic Congressional Vote Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Democrats Republicans Spread
Quinnipiac 11/6 - 11/11 2545 RV 39 39 Tie
Rasmussen Reports 11/4 - 11/10 3500 LV 41 39 Democrats +2
PPP (D) 10/29 - 10/31 649 RV 44 38 Democrats +6
GWU/Battleground 10/27 - 10/31 1000 LV 44 41 Democrats +3
FOX News 10/20 - 10/22 1020 RV 45 37 Democrats +8
CNN/Opinion Research 10/18 - 10/20 RV 50 42 Democrats +8



Heya Beaudreau. :2wave: Isnt that just Awesome.....falling like a ton of lead bricks. Worth their weight.....huh?

It gets even Better!!!!! Fienstein will co-sponsor Landreiu's Bill. The Democrats are bailing on Obama.


Popcorn: Democrats in Disarray, Debating Whether to Turn On Obamacare

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Bill Clinton's comments may have been the tipping point. Yesterday, the former president told an interviewer that the White House should keep its promise and honor its commitment on Obama's infamous "keep your plan" pledge. And if there's one person on planet earth whose reputation for honoring both the truth and personal commitments is -- ahem -- unimpeachable, it's him. Snark aside, Clinton's remarks were hugely impactful; not because he was expressing his own personal opinion, but because in doing so, he was extending a tacit permission slip to fellow Democrats. Message: It's okay to abandon Obama by starting to dismantle big parts of this law. His wife, who is widely expected to run for president, had no comment on the matter. And then, as these horrific poll numbers started to seep into the Washington bloodstream, the dam broke:

Yes, that would be liberal California Democrat Dianne Feinstein pledging to co-sponsor Mary Landrieu's iteration of the GOP's "keep your plan" legislation. The House will vote on its own version on Friday, and CNN reports that even Democratic leadership is befuddled as to how members should vote. Accordingly, Friday is now the White House's "de facto deadline" to prevent perhaps dozens of House Democrats from sprinting away from the president, shattering the party's ruthless party discipline on Obamacare in the process.

This desperation mentality is contagious, and it's exceedingly risky for Democrats. Last night's Quinnipiac poll shows public support for an Obamacare delay swelling to 73 percent. Rasmussen shows that a similar percentage believes people ought to be able to keep their existing plans, in accordance with Obama's violated vow. Will Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi give their caucuses a free pass to approve these populist "solutions"? If they don't, all hell breaks loose. If they do, and these measures pass both chambers in one form or another, what does Obama do? Vetoing any legislation along these lines will look wildly out-of-touch and unreasonable. He and his party will take another beating. But if he acquiesces under immense political pressure, he certainly must still know that the results would be non-viable. This creaky mess can't just be stopped on a dime at the very last minute; the wheels are in motion, and have been for some time. Plans have been outlawed, cancellation notices have been sent, and people have been signing up for new coverage -- either through the exchanges or Medicaid. Insurance companies have spent months preparing for the new regime; reverting back to the old system involves much, much more than flipping a switch. Whether it's even remotely possible to reverse course before December 15 (the deadline to ensure coverage starting in the new year) is up for debate.

The House Republicans' version of this bill would trash the administration's excessive mandates for a year, allowing plans that were made illegal by the law to continue. It also makes the old plans available to everyone, not just those who were previously enrolled in them. The Landrieu/Feinstein bill limits "keep your plan" to newly-grandfathered, current and previous policy holders -- but it actually goes further in another sense. It proactively forces insurers to allow those people back onto their previous plans if they so choose (as opposed to giving insurers the option to reintroduce the cancelled plans).....snip~

Popcorn: Democrats in Disarray, Debating Whether to Turn On Obamacare - Guy Benson
 
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How about that fight over Braves stadium??
The black mayor said no to wasting taxpayer funds and Gingrey and Kingston want to waste those funds..
Where is the TEAparty when you need them ?
Close to 3600, I wouldn't say Rubio is toast when considering all them people Florida has. Florida is one unique state with very little native population and a bunch of snow birds from other sections of the country. Around Atlanta we have more none native Georgians living in and around than native Georgians. Of course Atlanta's politics is completely different from the rest of the state.
 
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