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    Re: It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    IMO Obama was a very vulnerable sitting president and could have been had. It was just the Republicans didn't choose the right candidate and the candidate they choose ran one of the most inept campaigns since Bush the first back in 1992. But don't worry, Bush the second was ripe to be had in 2004, then the Democrats ran the wrong guy. Going back in 1996, it was the Republicans turn to run the wrong guy against another vulnerable sitting president. Now no one could have Beaten Reagan in 1984, not even Washington, Lincoln or FDR. But on the other hand, almost anybody else could have beaten Jimmy Carter in 1980. You have elections like these and always will.
    Still doesn't explain why 52% of the voters in 2012 would choose to continue four more years of failure, lies, cover-ups.

    Romney had a track record of more success and little failures. It was a no brainer that things would improve in America and even in Congress if Obama wasn't given a second chance.

    Personally I would like to see the GOP run a conservative candidate for once. What do they have to lose ? Back in 1980, Reagan was considered a right wing conservative back then.

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    Re: It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Today the white house relase the enrollment numbers for the ACA and that number 106,000 out of a country of 320 million people. Obamacare can only work if it was high enrollment.

    October Obamacare enrollment low - Kyle Cheney and Jason Millman - POLITICO.com
    Nice framing in past tense something that hasn't even started yet.
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    Re: It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Still doesn't explain why 52% of the voters in 2012 would choose to continue four more years of failure, lies, cover-ups.

    Romney had a track record of more success and little failures. It was a no brainer that things would improve in America and even in Congress if Obama wasn't given a second chance.

    Personally I would like to see the GOP run a conservative candidate for once. What do they have to lose ? Back in 1980, Reagan was considered a right wing conservative back then.
    2012 will be remembered as a year when Republican candidates had foot in mouth disease. Also remember Romney did a 180 on a lot of his before life long political beliefs to run for president. There was a lot of distrust when it came to him. Even here in Georgia, that distrust definatelly showed with a lack of enthusiam for him. Georgia should have been solid in his column after he received the nomination, but it remain in the lean Romney column until about a week or two before the election. That fact alone speaks volumns, at least to me.

    Now Reagan was vetted in 1976 with his insurgent campaign against Ford. In 1980 the misery index was above 20% and almost any Republican would have won that year. But Ronnie had a vision and he stuck to it. I think that is important, a vision I mean. Romney last year never put forth his vision to the American voter where he wanted to lead this country to. When Bush the first lost in 1992, he mocked it, by calling it that vision thing. He didn't have one and he lost.

    I think a conservative or moderate it doesn't matter. Who ever it is must have a vision for America and he must be able to convey that vision in simple terms to the electorate at large. He must be able to make the people believe him that the vision he has is best for them and that he wants them to climb on board. Reagan keep things simple when he ran, who ever runs in 2016 must be able to do the same.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    2012 will be remembered as a year when Republican candidates had foot in mouth disease. Also remember Romney did a 180 on a lot of his before life long political beliefs to run for president. There was a lot of distrust when it came to him. Even here in Georgia, that distrust definatelly showed with a lack of enthusiam for him. Georgia should have been solid in his column after he received the nomination, but it remain in the lean Romney column until about a week or two before the election. That fact alone speaks volumns, at least to me.

    Now Reagan was vetted in 1976 with his insurgent campaign against Ford. In 1980 the misery index was above 20% and almost any Republican would have won that year. But Ronnie had a vision and he stuck to it. I think that is important, a vision I mean. Romney last year never put forth his vision to the American voter where he wanted to lead this country to. When Bush the first lost in 1992, he mocked it, by calling it that vision thing. He didn't have one and he lost.

    I think a conservative or moderate it doesn't matter. Who ever it is must have a vision for America and he must be able to convey that vision in simple terms to the electorate at large. He must be able to make the people believe him that the vision he has is best for them and that he wants them to climb on board. Reagan keep things simple when he ran, who ever runs in 2016 must be able to do the same.
    I concur Perotisa, but you have political idiots in charge of the Republican National Committee. It's been like that since 1988.

    The GOP better get their #### together real quick because nobody has been in charge of the GOP since 2010, not even is the RNC in charge.

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    Re: It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

    I think the real concern is not the low number of folks who have enrolled in Obamacare but the explosion of people getting on Medicaid. The Federal government and states share in the cost. As a result of this expansion, the numbers I've been seeing by 2020 Medicaid under Obamacare will increase by $619 billion. The federal government will initially pay for most of the new spending, about $572 billion. But the expansion will become a real strain on state budgets as well, since the federal contribution decreases overtime. Estimates state the expansion will bring total state Medicaid spending to $2.3 trillion through 2020. That's going to mean higher state taxes and less money available for police, firefighters, education etc. Not good news when we already carry a trillion deficit each year. Another side effect of all this will be a struggling economy. Those who put up capital to create jobs have a tendency to shut down when government spending is out of control. The reason is every wealthy person/corporation knows they have a target on their backs and the government is going to come after them for more revenue. The more the government takes from them the less they have to expand meaning less jobs. The near future especially the next three years looks very dismal.
    Last edited by vesper; 11-13-13 at 11:09 PM.

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    Re: It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I concur Perotisa, but you have political idiots in charge of the Republican National Committee. It's been like that since 1988.

    The GOP better get their #### together real quick because nobody has been in charge of the GOP since 2010, not even is the RNC in charge.
    I agree totally
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    Re: It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I heard on the news today that one reason the president is standing fast on the implementation dates and will not extend the deadline is the insurance companies who went along with the ACA are really pushing the president hard against it. They need their money now, not 6 months or a year from now as they are now insuring are these folks with pre-existing condidtions which is causing them to lose money without the input of the healthy invinceables. This was reported on our 24hours news radio channel, a Cumulus broadcasting company. Not Fox. It seems to make sense, but I haven't heard any of this on the other news outlets.
    I advanced this supposition a few weeks back specific to the individual mandate delay. Carrying it further presume these young invincible's don't enroll to the extent sufficient to support the Ins Cos liability for the pre-existing folks. They will either jack premiums WAY UP negating the Administrations 'promise' to reduce costs ('folks save ~$2500/yr') OR there will be a push for 'bailout' till enrollment levels rise to a point to negate the liability imbalance...which considering the mid term elections will be COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE to pass.
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    Re: It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I think the real concern is not the low number of folks who have enrolled in Obamacare but the explosion of people getting on Medicaid.
    similar percentages as to the Massachusetts roll-out as far as "free" stuff is concerned
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    Re: It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

    that Black fella Michael Steele did a pretty good job with the RNC and winning the 2010 election..
    then the GOP fired that Black fella because he's not a flaming TEAtard/turd..
    and now you have Reince priebus--what a POS he is .
    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I concur Perotisa, but you have political idiots in charge of the Republican National Committee. It's been like that since 1988.

    The GOP better get their #### together real quick because nobody has been in charge of the GOP since 2010, not even is the RNC in charge.
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    Re: It's offical Obamacare enrollment is low.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I advanced this supposition a few weeks back specific to the individual mandate delay. Carrying it further presume these young invincible's don't enroll to the extent sufficient to support the Ins Cos liability for the pre-existing folks. They will either jack premiums WAY UP negating the Administrations 'promise' to reduce costs ('folks save ~$2500/yr') OR there will be a push for 'bailout' till enrollment levels rise to a point to negate the liability imbalance...which considering the mid term elections will be COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE to pass.
    Makes sense.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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