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poweRob said:
What's crazy is how much the GOP talks about small government while at the same time how bad the GOP want's in me and my wife's pants at the same time. Your folk want to implement policies that play morality police. That is about as big a government intrusion as big government can be.
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No, I think leftwing tax policies, one example being Obamacare is as big as big government can get. And that's only one example of the endless list that's out there. The libs have taxed and taxed us to death for the last 75 years. The Dems controlled the House for 40 years with 100+ seat majorities and could pass any goddam thing they wanted, and they did. So as far as I'm concerned, the Democrats can go **** themselves.
 
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jmotivator said:
Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization - The Denver Post

"GRAND JUNCTION — In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.

Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.

"When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said."


Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery... :roll:
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It is illegal in my state and I know of 5th graders who use regularly.
 
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Hatuey said:
Your political lean says "Libertarian". I beg to differ.
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Yeah, I suppose that's what makes me "different." I speak for myself and no one else.... Don't confuse that with "support" either.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Yeah, I suppose that's what makes me "different." I speak for myself and no one else.... Don't confuse that with "support" either.
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If by different you mean you're a carbon copy of every other Libertarian out there, yeah. You're as inconsistent as every other libertarian out there. Lookie here before you reply, the OP is stating that the reason to ban marijuana is based on its negative side effects. That's pretty much the antithesis of the supposed "freedom" that Libertarians argue for. So calling the decriminalization a "progressive idea" when every Libertarian from Florida to Washington State supports legalization of weed is an exercise in shooting yourself in the foot.
 
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jmotivator said:
As I have pointed out here in other discussions on marijuana, I spent a decade as a social worker working with drug addicts of all types, and marijuana addiction is one of the hardest to deal with because of this altered state of awareness that so many abusers show. Even in the moderate users there was a strong trend in pot abusers for hallucination, memory loss, and paranoia that made it especially hard to assist them. It is a mean drug and a deceptive drug. It fools people into thinking it is a harmless, soothing remedy for their stress all while being the leading contributor to their stress when sober.
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This alone show you know little if anything about marijuana and how it is used and abused.
 
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jmotivator said:
Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization - The Denver Post

"GRAND JUNCTION — In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.

Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.

"When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said."


Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery... :roll:
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A few problems I see with this article:

1. There are by their own admission no statistics or data to go on. This is exclusively based on the anecdotal reports of some administrative, school, and police officials that the Denver Post spoke to. We have no idea if there actually has been an uptick, and if so if it is really significant.

2. The abolition of prohibitions (even partial ones like in Colorado) almost always lead to short term increases in uses, especially as recording increases.

3. It isn't that much of a concern either way. I expect it wont last, and if it does I'm sure most would rather they smoke weed than cigarettes.
 
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jmotivator said:
Hah, that isn't what it said at all! His whole point is that Marijuana has an adverse affect on developing brains! How on earth did you glean that falsehood from such clarity?
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He said "can," but I won't pick nits. I don't support children smoking marijuana. I'd say we have it about right with 21 years old, same as alcohol. We can't stop the behavior, but we can make efforts to mitigate the damage.

I was speaking to the larger point that there is no clear case to say marijuana causes psychosis in anyone.


Again, there is no black and white in drug abuse prevention. Is it your assumption that if drugs were legalized that all the people selling illegal drugs will find gainful employment and turn to a virtuous life? Or do you suppose the kind of people that break the law to make money would find some other illegal way to make money and get arrested for doing it?
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So we need to maintain these counter-productive laws so that criminals don't become different kinds of criminals? Does that really make sense to you?

Again, do you think the cartels will just go away? Is it your assumption that we would be legalizing all drugs with no controls? It's already illegal for kids to have drugs, and yet they still have them. You don't think the cartels would still target that market?
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And now we are protecting the cartel's profits. Do they send you a birthday card, at least?

Are there many bathtub gin operations in your neighborhood, these days?

I said earlier, you can't control the behavior. If that's your goal, you'll fail.

You can mitigate the damage or you can make it worse.

You can decide how many of our limited resources to waste in the effort.
 
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Hatuey said:
Your political lean says "Libertarian". I beg to differ.
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OK...

Beg whoever you would like...
 
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Hatuey said:
If by different you mean you're a carbon copy of every other Libertarian out there, yeah. You're as inconsistent as every other libertarian out there.
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So libertarians should all share the same opinion on every subject? That sounds too much like lockstep leftism to me.
"when every Libertarian from Florida to Washington State supports legalization of weed is an exercise in shooting yourself in the foot.
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Now they are consistent?

So are libertarians consistent or inconsistent and, while we're at it, A) can leftists hold a thought to the end of a paragraph and B) was it pot smoking that addled their brains?

An interesting survey might be done on the growth of pot use, big government, big debt and almost half the population dependent on government, all during a similar time frame. Just a coincidence???
 
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In schools, we tend to *frown on* the following: drinking, smoking tobacco, smoking pot, doing any other drugs.

Don't like it? Too bad.
 
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Grant said:
So libertarians should all share the same opinion on every subject? That sounds too much like lockstep leftism to me.
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Sign up for this course:

Online Course: Reading Comprehension 101 - Certificate and CEUs

Then, come back to the forum, and tell me how you got that from what I wrote.

As for this:

Now they are consistent?
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Being inconsistent in your political positions and being consistent by marching lock step with what everyone else in your ideology believes are two entirely different things. However, I don't expect an "independent" thinker like yourself to grasp such a notion. :shrug:
 
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jmotivator said:
While this line of argument is ultimately pointless as we don't legalize anything else of on the grounds that it's negative effects can be encountered elsewhere (ie. "Well, since bleach is poisonous why not sell arsenic?"), marijuana does have serious side effects on brain chemistry in children, especially in kids with certain genetic predispositions to the psychological effects. Alcohol and cigarettes don't lead to schizophrenia, for example, while the evidence shows show that marijuana can.

As I have pointed out here in other discussions on marijuana, I spent a decade as a social worker working with drug addicts of all types, and marijuana addiction is one of the hardest to deal with because of this altered state of awareness that so many abusers show. Even in the moderate users there was a strong trend in pot abusers for hallucination, memory loss, and paranoia that made it especially hard to assist them. It is a mean drug and a deceptive drug. It fools people into thinking it is a harmless, soothing remedy for their stress all while being the leading contributor to their stress when sober.

I dealt with a few alcoholics who abused it bad enough to develop Korsakoff's Syndrome, but it was very rare, and didn't lead to breaks with reality like I saw in schizophrenia patients, and not at the rates of the cannabis abusers.

A recent review of 120 medical studies has confirmed what many of us who worked with addicts already knew: Marijuana does terrible things to the brain of the abusers, especially teenagers.

But, ya know... if it means that a few more people can avoid jail while rotting their brain then it was all worth it.
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Oh please, reefer madness nonsense. The fact that you talk so conclusively and strongly about how marijuana is incredibly dangerous is just disgusting, especially when you pretend its "one of the worst". Do you know anything about addiction to real drugs? Its not in the same ballpark, its not even in the same galaxy. If you think your experience dealing with pot smokers makes you an expert on what it does to people I think you are mistaken. You've probably confused people who have problems anyways... but also smoke pot and you went and assumed the weed is what did this to them.

Your own article with a title claiming "terrible things to the brain" isn't what you said it is. It said most people won't experience any harmful effects and gave absolutely zero information on what harm it does to teenagers other than it "affects" them. Give me a ****ing break.

Almost everything in this world is more dangerous than marijuana, alcohol certainly is.
 
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Verax said:
Oh please, reefer madness nonsense. The fact that you talk so conclusively and strongly about how marijuana is incredibly dangerous is just disgusting, especially when you pretend its "one of the worst". Do you know anything about addiction to real drugs? Its not in the same ballpark, its not even in the same galaxy. If you think your experience dealing with pot smokers makes you an expert on what it does to people I think you are mistaken. You've probably confused people who have problems anyways... but also smoke pot and you went and assumed the weed is what did this to them.

Your own article with a title claiming "terrible things to the brain" isn't what you said it is. It said most people won't experience any harmful effects and gave absolutely zero information on what harm it does to teenagers other than it "affects" them. Give me a ****ing break.

Almost everything in this world is more dangerous than marijuana, alcohol certainly is.
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jmotivator has never tried weed, so he's left with reefer madness videos and government propoganda programs that form the base of his knowledge. Pretty much every person in history who has tried marijuana has almost immediately said "Wtf... why is this illegal?".

I've gotten more debilitating of a buzz from tobacco and alcohol than I ever have from marijuana.

Hatuey said:
Your political lean says "Libertarian". I beg to differ.
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Really? Is this the peak of your debating skills? Labeling libertarianism a cult?

I guess if you can't successfully refute their arguments, you should just hurl childish insults at them. Even more ridiculous, you're on the libertarian side of this issue. So... huh?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Really? Is this the peak of your debating skills? Labeling libertarianism a cult?

I guess if you can't successfully refute their arguments, you should just hurl childish insults at them. Even more ridiculous, you're on the libertarian side of this issue. So... huh?
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I think the point was that the label "libertarian" is often haphazardly applied and seems more a catch all phrase for "conservative but not republican"
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
I think the point was that the label "libertarian" is often haphazardly applied and seems more a catch all phrase for "conservative but not republican"
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Sure, some people select libertarian from the selection box as their lean, when in reality they have no idea what that means. But he specifically called it a cult. That's hard to misinterpret as anything else. Can you back that statement up?
 
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Helix said:
Policies based on racism and lies will be revoked.
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Good. Lets say goodbye to Obamadon'tcare.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Sure, some people select libertarian from the selection box as their lean, when in reality they have no idea what that means. But he specifically called it a cult. That's hard to misinterpret as anything else. Can you back that statement up?
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I took the "beg to differ" part as questioning his credentials as a libertarian. Though i can see how you can read it otherwise
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
I took the "beg to differ" part as questioning his credentials as a libertarian. Though i can see how you can read it otherwise
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Typical Chuckie, not looking at any context whatsoever. Nick said "I'm not part of a cult", and Hatuey said "Your political lean says "Libertarian". I beg to differ."

Jesus christ man, spend the 30 seconds it takes to read into the situation you're replying to. As usual, your statements are a god damn waste of time with no point whatsoever.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Typical Chuckie, not looking at any context whatsoever. Nick said "I'm not part of a cult", and Hatuey said "Your political lean says "Libertarian". I beg to differ."
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lol, why do you always get so upset over the most meaningless things? I did read the context, and as I said, I can understand why you would read it differently. Not really a big deal, mate

Jesus christ man, spend the 30 seconds it takes to read into the situation you're replying to. As usual, your statements are a god damn waste of time with no point whatsoever.
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Are you currently diagnosed for some type of developmental or social disorder?
 
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iacardsfan said:
It is illegal in my state and I know of 5th graders who use regularly.
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Cool story, bro. Let me know how they turn out! :thumbs:
 
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Verax said:
Oh please, reefer madness nonsense. The fact that you talk so conclusively and strongly about how marijuana is incredibly dangerous is just disgusting, especially when you pretend its "one of the worst". Do you know anything about addiction to real drugs? Its not in the same ballpark, its not even in the same galaxy. If you think your experience dealing with pot smokers makes you an expert on what it does to people I think you are mistaken. You've probably confused people who have problems anyways... but also smoke pot and you went and assumed the weed is what did this to them.

Your own article with a title claiming "terrible things to the brain" isn't what you said it is. It said most people won't experience any harmful effects and gave absolutely zero information on what harm it does to teenagers other than it "affects" them. Give me a ****ing break.

Almost everything in this world is more dangerous than marijuana, alcohol certainly is.
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So you fall into the "chill me out, gas substitute, cool pants" category of delusional pot supporter. Check.

"Almost everything in this world is more dangerous than marijuana" .. man, you owe me a keyboard, that is hilarious.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
jmotivator has never tried weed, so he's left with reefer madness videos and government propoganda programs that form the base of his knowledge. Pretty much every person in history who has tried marijuana has almost immediately said "Wtf... why is this illegal?".

I've gotten more debilitating of a buzz from tobacco and alcohol than I ever have from marijuana.
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As I already said, I was a social worker for 10 years working with drug addicted clients. Your pathological support for and use of the drug is noted.

By the way, I am not talking about the "buzz" you get from a single use. Only those who are in this fight solely to protect their high think of it in those terms. Marijuana damage is progressive.

Your silly argument makes as much sense as a smoker saying "I've smoked cigarettes for years and not once have I gotten lung cancer!"

In other words, you sound like a pathetic Phillip Morris ad man.
 
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Texmex said:
This alone show you know little if anything about marijuana and how it is used and abused.
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Keep telling yourself that! I got that a lot from my clients as well. It's never the drug, it is always one conspiracy or another that is totally real and marijuana is the only way they can just chill out. Like all addiction the addict convinces themselves that the drug is the only medicine that works for the problems that, quite clearly to sober outside observers, are the result of using the drug.
 
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American said:
Keep going, this is some crazy ****.
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Delusional conspiracy ramblings from a marijuana supporter? I'm shocked!
 
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American said:
No, I think leftwing tax policies, one example being Obamacare is as big as big government can get. And that's only one example of the endless list that's out there. The libs have taxed and taxed us to death for the last 75 years. The Dems controlled the House for 40 years with 100+ seat majorities and could pass any goddam thing they wanted, and they did. So as far as I'm concerned, the Democrats can go **** themselves.
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Mandatory health insurance with the threat of a fine for non-compliance thrusted upon us is Unconstitutional, but when lawmakers start talking about what I can and cannot do to my own adult body, that's a completely different form of tyranny.
 
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