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That's odd because your first link said that CO doesn't break out the # of expulsions for possession of pot, so how can they know if the # increased?

According to the report the statistics on the increase of marijuana comes from Christine Harms, the director of the Colorado School Safety Resource Center. The yearly statistics they release don't break out by drug, but according to the director of the department that tracks the data they do actually keep those statistics.

Which of course makes perfect sense because when you craft drug awareness programs for public schools you should probably know which drugs are being abused.

Also worth pointing out to the "Legalization = Less abuse!" people on this forum is this page from the NIH regarding substance abuse:

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The most abused drug is marijuana, and the other top abused drugs are all prescription medication. So the argument that a prescription system decreases access is absurd.

Also this inverse correlation between teen drug use and teen perception of the danger of the given drug:

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And nationwide the pro-cannabis lobby had managed to increase the perception among teens that pot is harmless (previously cited).
 
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According to the report the statistics on the increase of marijuana comes from Christine Harms, the director of the Colorado School Safety Resource Center. The yearly statistics they release don't break out by drug, but according to the director of the department that tracks the data they do actually keep those statistics.

Which of course makes perfect sense because when you craft drug awareness programs for public schools you should probably know which drugs are being abused.

That doesn't seem to be true. The first link did not say that CO doesn't report the breakout. It said they don't collect the data


Also worth pointing out to the "Legalization = Less abuse!" people on this forum is this page from the NIH regarding substance abuse:

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That chart does not show pot use increasing.


The most abused drug is marijuana, and the other top abused drugs are all prescription medication. So the argument that a prescription system decreases access is absurd.

Also this inverse correlation between teen drug use and teen perception of the danger of the given drug:

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And nationwide the pro-cannabis lobby had managed to increase the perception among teens that pot is harmless (previously cited).

And that chart shows a negligible rise since it was legalized (for medical use) and it's way below historical highs when it was illegal
 
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this law was based on bull****. not to mention that basically everyone has disregarded it at some point, including the last three presidents. time to flush it down the john.

Basically everybody has broken some other law at one time or another. Should we flush them too?
 
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The only problem I see cited is that kids are being expelled for possession

Just because Colorado made it legal to have does not mean that the schools have to allow it on school property.
 
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Just because Colorado made it legal to have does not mean that the schools have to allow it on school property.

Have you read the thread?

Because no one has suggested that it is legal to have it on school property
 
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Is it possible that the officers are making an effort to find more kids with weed and not that the number of users has grown? Seems like a strong possibility. Violent crime rates in America have gone down to historically low levels yet there are more people than ever in jail. Is this because more people are committing crimes or because more criminals have been legislated into existence?

Only problem with this is that this was a de-regulation. Why would a cop specifically set out to find more when it has become legal?
 
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Have you read the thread?

Because no one has suggested that it is legal to have it on school property

Right. Most of the pot heads suggest it doesn't matter if it's on school property.
 
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So you'll just ignore all of the massive decreases in the other areas like violence and robberies and hone in one thing as if it were the only thing that mattered?

So you are trying to correlate increased marijuana use in teens with lower crime rate now? I'd bet the lower crime rate has something to do with the increased suspensions and expulsions. Send the douchebags home and they aren't robbing kids in school anymore.

In case you missed it, there is more then a casual correlation between substance abuse and criminal behavior...


Fact is, your OP is bunk, less people are being expelled and there is less overall bad behavior.

More people are being expelled for drug reasons. What does it matter is all other reasons are on the decline? If anything I find that fact accentuates the problem of increased drug use in school.

We all agree kids shouldn't use drugs, but you're trying to operate on the assumption that they won't if it's illegal

Straw man argument. I never said kids won't do drugs in they are illegal. In fact I said the exact opposite on this very thread. What I DID say was that marijuana use among children has and will increase as a result of marijuana legalization. If you really agree that kids shouldn't do drugs then you shouldn't be supporting a law that clearly increases drug use among children... but you are anyway... so I have to doubt your actual commitment to that stance in principle because in practice you support policy that directly contributes to higher drug use among children.

which frankly shows that you don't have a grasp on reality. (And were also probably a nerd in high school)

I have quite a keen grasp of reality. I credit most of it to all those years I spent in school not doing drugs.
 
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sheets of blotter acid (LSD) back in my time, same thing though.

Can't petend this stuff doesn't exist. Better to bring it out in the open. "Hey kids -don't smoke cigarettes, or for that matter weed"

They need to be educated, instead of just saying "don't do this stuff, it's bad, and we'll put you in jail". They're telling this stuff to kids who are still in the learning phases of life. Tell them why it's bad, and why they shouldn't do it.

Personally, I don't think pot is that big a deal. No worse than slipping into the liquor cabinet. Pills are the big drugs these days, and the most dangerous for kids who know jack **** about the dangers of tossing some pharmaceuticals down their throats.
 
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Have you read the thread?

Because no one has suggested that it is legal to have it on school property

Then you need to explain your post better because the context of the thread up to that post shows no reason for your post. It's what happens when you throw out one liners without expanding on it.
 
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Also I should point out that since you are someone who started smoking marijuana in school, you were likely in a position to hang around with the other drug users in school. I think your point of reference is skewed. Somehow I went all the way through highschool in the 80s without exposure to the dropout culture.

Well give yourself a cookie, then. If a cop is so shocked by something that has been going on for decades, he isn't doing his job.
 
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...What struck Krueger and the officer about this incident was the fact that the student didn't seem to realize that there was anything wrong with having the pot or that there would be any disciplinary consequence for it. The officer said the student acted like having marijuana was an ordinary thing and no big deal.

This made me laugh.
This is a good thing. There was a time when such a situation could ruin your life.

Oh, what proud parents that kid must have (if they are ever lucid enough to notice). And to think, my kids will never think of drugs as a ho hum everday thing you have in your pocket. Where have I gone wrong???
 
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They need to be educated, instead of just saying "don't do this stuff, it's bad, and we'll put you in jail". They're telling this stuff to kids who are still in the learning phases of life. Tell them why it's bad, and why they shouldn't do it.

Personally, I don't think pot is that big a deal. No worse than slipping into the liquor cabinet. Pills are the big drugs these days, and the most dangerous for kids who know jack **** about the dangers of tossing some pharmaceuticals down their throats.

we don't talk honestly about drugs in this country. Too many special interests, from Big Pharma to Law Enforcement.

Some things you just have to understand by experience, and digging out the thruth, or the different sides to a debate.
for Kids, we just tell them, they don't have enough real world experience to know the spin on things.

I agree some honesty would go a long way, I remember thinking "well they lied to me about grass, they're lying to me about ALL drugs"
Later on as my friends died from overdoses, i found out all drugs aren't the same.

Would help to just educate, and not lie to kids. "this is your brain on drugs" kinna ridiculous ads.
 
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Then you need to explain your post better because the context of the thread up to that post shows no reason for your post. It's what happens when you throw out one liners without expanding on it.

I don't know what it is you think I need to explain.

IMO, expelling kids for possession of pot is a problem. That doesn't mean that pot should be allowed on school grounds. It just means kids should not be expelled for it.
 
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Things that went up:
Drugs: +27%
Detrimental behavior: +28%


Things that went down:
Alcohol: -26%
Tobacco: -34%
Dangerous weapons: -34%
Robbery: -78%
Felonies: -25%
Disobedience: -6%
Distruction of school property: -38%
Other code of conduct violations: -36%

Total negative behavior: -17%

If you also look, drug offenses only make up about 5% of the total offenses. Considering tobacco and alcohol are far worse for your health than pot, and so is robbery, dangerous weapons and felonies, I'd say the kids of colorado have made a massive net positive over the past 10 years. That's not even taking into account the fact that drug use is on the rise everywhere, not just Colorado.

Looks like your hysteria is bunk.

You seem to be saying that the bad things that went down were due to the other bad things that went up. Is that about right? And the proof of that is where? Or you forgot that part? So we should be trying to increase drug use now? Sorry, I am just missing the brilliance here.
 
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I don't know what it is you think I need to explain.

IMO, expelling kids for possession of pot is a problem. That doesn't mean that pot should be allowed on school grounds. It just means kids should not be expelled for it.

Then you should have stated this in your post. Otherwise people will draw their own conclusions with such little information as you provided in that post.
 
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Then you should have stated this in your post. Otherwise people will draw their own conclusions with such little information as you provided in that post.

I think you're the only one who had a problem understanding it. Many others did understand it.
 
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Oh, what proud parents that kid must have (if they are ever lucid enough to notice). And to think, my kids will never think of drugs as a ho hum everday thing you have in your pocket. Where have I gone wrong???

They will likely just hide it from you.
 
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The problem is that children are using pot in higher numbers.

Instead of drinking alcohol. That's not a bad thing. Alcohol is far more dangerous.
 
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So we should be trying to increase drug use now?

It's been my experience that all pot heads try to get a person to do just that. When I was going to school it took me kicking the ass of a couple of pot heads to get them to leave me alone about it. And they were my friends (I know, some friends uh?).
 
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That doesn't seem to be true. The first link did not say that CO doesn't report the breakout. It said they don't collect the data

Like I said, the director of the Colorado department that tracks that data had no trouble reporting that 32% of expulsions were for marijuana (out of 41% that were drug related), so obviously they do track this. It also makes perfect sense that they track that data since they need to know what kinds of drugs kids are doing to appropriately counter that trend.


That chart does not show pot use increasing.


No, it shows that pot is by far the most abused drug among young people. So what drug do you think is on the rise among teens in a state that just legalized marijuana?


And that chart shows a negligible rise since it was legalized (for medical use) and it's way below historical highs when it was illegal


That is a nationwide trend, so don't expect to see Colorado's problems front and center. There is a noticeable decline in children's perception of the harmfulness of marijuana which, as the chart shows, leads to higher marijuana use.
 
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It's been my experience that all pot heads try to get a person to do just that. When I was going to school it took me kicking the ass of a couple of pot heads to get them to leave me alone about it. And they were my friends (I know, some friends uh?).

Cool story bro
 
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Basically everybody has broken some other law at one time or another. Should we flush them too?

some of them. definitely failed pot prohibition, though.
 
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the harmfulness of marijuana

I did get a chuckle out of this.
 
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Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization - The Denver Post

"GRAND JUNCTION — In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.

Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.

"When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said."



Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery... :roll:

Wait, isn't pot legal? So what's the problem?
 
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