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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Let's take a look at the statistics from your link:

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    Things that went up:
    Drugs: +27%
    Detrimental behavior: +28%


    Things that went down:
    Alcohol: -26%
    Tobacco: -34%
    Dangerous weapons: -34%
    Robbery: -78%
    Felonies: -25%
    Disobedience: -6%
    Distruction of school property: -38%
    Other code of conduct violations: -36%

    Total negative behavior: -17%

    If you also look, drug offenses only make up about 5% of the total offenses. Considering tobacco and alcohol are far worse for your health than pot, and so is robbery, dangerous weapons and felonies, I'd say the kids of colorado have made a massive net positive over the past 10 years. That's not even taking into account the fact that drug use is on the rise everywhere, not just Colorado.

    Looks like your hysteria is bunk.
    Hah, yeah. Who cares about the 5%? It's a small number... it's not like they are children or anything....

    Oh wait....

    Oh, and I don't think that the correlation between increase is drug use and increases in detrimental behavior says what your think it says.

    Also, you can spout the propaganda of "pot is safer than alcohol and tobacco!" all you want, but that is an argument against alcohol and tobacco, not in favor of marijuana even if it were true (which it isn't).
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hah, yeah. Who cares about the 5%?
    The 5% is for all drugs, not pot and there's no evidence that the # of expulsion due to pot possession have increased.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hah, yeah. Who cares about the 5%? It's a small number... it's not like they are children or anything....

    Oh wait....

    Oh, and I don't think that the correlation between increase is drug use and increases in detrimental behavior says what your think it says.

    Also, you can spout the propaganda of "pot is safer than alcohol and tobacco!" all you want, but that is an argument against alcohol and tobacco, not in favor of marijuana even if it were true (which it isn't).
    So you'll just ignore all of the massive decreases in the other areas like violence and robberies and hone in one thing as if it were the only thing that mattered?

    Fact is, your OP is bunk, less people are being expelled and there is less overall bad behavior. Secondly, as we've pointed out multiple times, you've failed to show that the increase has been relative to other states.

    We all agree kids shouldn't use drugs, but you're trying to operate on the assumption that they won't if it's illegal, which frankly shows that you don't have a grasp on reality. (And were also probably a nerd in high school)
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    This made me laugh.

    One that an officer related at a meeting recently involved a student dropping a small baggie of marijuana from his pocket as he was walking down a school hallway. The school principal was walking past the student at the time and picked up the pot. He asked the student if it belonged to him. The student immediately admitted it was his and reached out to take it back from the principal.

    What struck Krueger and the officer about this incident was the fact that the student didn't seem to realize that there was anything wrong with having the pot or that there would be any disciplinary consequence for it. The officer said the student acted like having marijuana was an ordinary thing and no big deal.
    This is a good thing. There was a time when such a situation could ruin your life.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's odd because your first link said that CO doesn't break out the # of expulsions for possession of pot, so how can they know if the # increased?
    According to the report the statistics on the increase of marijuana comes from Christine Harms, the director of the Colorado School Safety Resource Center. The yearly statistics they release don't break out by drug, but according to the director of the department that tracks the data they do actually keep those statistics.

    Which of course makes perfect sense because when you craft drug awareness programs for public schools you should probably know which drugs are being abused.

    Also worth pointing out to the "Legalization = Less abuse!" people on this forum is this page from the NIH regarding substance abuse:

    illicitdruguse12th_0.jpg

    The most abused drug is marijuana, and the other top abused drugs are all prescription medication. So the argument that a prescription system decreases access is absurd.

    Also this inverse correlation between teen drug use and teen perception of the danger of the given drug:

    mjuse-risk_0.jpg

    And nationwide the pro-cannabis lobby had managed to increase the perception among teens that pot is harmless (previously cited).
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    According to the report the statistics on the increase of marijuana comes from Christine Harms, the director of the Colorado School Safety Resource Center. The yearly statistics they release don't break out by drug, but according to the director of the department that tracks the data they do actually keep those statistics.

    Which of course makes perfect sense because when you craft drug awareness programs for public schools you should probably know which drugs are being abused.
    That doesn't seem to be true. The first link did not say that CO doesn't report the breakout. It said they don't collect the data


    Also worth pointing out to the "Legalization = Less abuse!" people on this forum is this page from the NIH regarding substance abuse:

    illicitdruguse12th_0.jpg
    That chart does not show pot use increasing.


    The most abused drug is marijuana, and the other top abused drugs are all prescription medication. So the argument that a prescription system decreases access is absurd.

    Also this inverse correlation between teen drug use and teen perception of the danger of the given drug:

    mjuse-risk_0.jpg

    And nationwide the pro-cannabis lobby had managed to increase the perception among teens that pot is harmless (previously cited).
    And that chart shows a negligible rise since it was legalized (for medical use) and it's way below historical highs when it was illegal
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    this law was based on bull****. not to mention that basically everyone has disregarded it at some point, including the last three presidents. time to flush it down the john.
    Basically everybody has broken some other law at one time or another. Should we flush them too?
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The only problem I see cited is that kids are being expelled for possession
    Just because Colorado made it legal to have does not mean that the schools have to allow it on school property.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Just because Colorado made it legal to have does not mean that the schools have to allow it on school property.
    Have you read the thread?

    Because no one has suggested that it is legal to have it on school property
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