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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I can just see those school administrators thinking "Hmmm, how can we teach those kids a lesson for smoking something that interferes with their ability to learn....I KNOW!!! Let's expel them!"
    So kicking a kid out for a poptart chewed into the shape of Idaho or wearing an NRA t-shirt is fine but kicking them out for pot is excessive. Swell.

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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Maybe I am going out on a limb, but standing on a street corner with a few ounces of marijuana in your pockets is a little less conspicuous than standing on the street corner surrounded by cases on Budweiser. But maybe that is just me....

    But then drinking is also very prevalent in schools, far more common than pot, because it is easier to obtain than pot. Solution: Make pot easier to obtain! (pro tip: not a super smart strategy).

    when i was in school, it was easier to get pot than to get alcohol. the reason is that alcohol was available legally, which meant the dealers didn't sell it. you could get it, but you had to pay an adult a bunch of money to take the risk. pot, on the other hand, could be obtained easily, and dealers don't card. i suspect that once it's available in stores to adults with IDs, the dealers aren't going to waste time on it.

    but you know what? let's say that your fears are founded and high school kids can get pot more easily. it's still lousy policy to arrest people, ruin lives, and waste money on incarceration in a futile attempt to prevent anyone from using a drug that pretty much everyone has tried, and which is much less harmful than other legal drugs.

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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's more than just the one story.

    Your statistics aren't significant that show a decrease in teen useage. Moreover, the teen usage statistics are collected on teens in school, so the statistics you cite that show a decline are actually catching the signal of the higher expulsion rate.

    Expulsion of teens for marijuana is up 25% in Colorado since they began legalizing pot, 29% in total.

    But you know, don't listen to the police and the teachers and the doctors... we need to be listening to the studies created and presented by the pot lobby.
    Interestingly enough, your "second" article is from Feb. 2012. This is before implementation of Prop 64. This kind of undermines the claim in your more recent article a tad. It seems this spike was already occurring to some degree already. edit: it was not until March 13 of 2012 that the assigned task force issued their recommendations of how marijuana should be regulated

    Again, come back to me once we have a few years of data under our belt and we can talk. So far virtually all of the historical precedents in relaxation in drug laws have resulted in a decrease in underage use.

    This is a large component of why I back ending drug prohibition. To put controls in place where there currently are none to make it more difficult for youth to attain.

    edit: and for the claim in the article about the 1/2 ounce possession in middle school. I frequently had a 1/2 oz stuffed down my pants while in middle school during the 80's, this is nothing new.

    *note I have not used drugs in close to a decade, and rarely drink, I cannot remember the last time I was intoxicated. I have no dog in this fight merely so that I may partake.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Just proving that the argument made by the potheads that there wouldn't be an increase in children using pot was... well, the product of a pot smokers impaired mental capacities.
    Are they using it more or just less scared about doing so.

    There was a time at school when we all lied on surveys about using drugs. Why give them more ammunition?

    So we need to assess how much use is increasing vs lessening of the stigma/danger.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    when i was in school, it was easier to get pot than to get alcohol. the reason is that alcohol was available legally, which meant the dealers didn't sell it. you could get it, but you had to pay an adult a bunch of money to take the risk. pot, on the other hand, could be obtained easily, and dealers don't card. i suspect that once it's available in stores to adults with IDs, the dealers aren't going to waste time on it.
    Hah, yeah, because when you buy pot there is no adults taking risks.

    Alcohol was very easy to come by when I was in high school. Pot wasn't. Our anecdotes cancel each other out.

    but you know what? let's say that your fears are founded and high school kids can get pot more easily. it's still lousy policy to arrest people, ruin lives, and waste money on incarceration in a futile attempt to prevent anyone from using a drug that pretty much everyone has tried, and which is much less harmful than other legal drugs.
    I would argue it isn't the law that is ruining people's lives it is the people who risk their own lives in order to get high that are ruining their own lives.

    Your argument is like blaming a shark attack on the "Beach Closed Due to Sharks!" signs rather than on the swimmers who ignored the warnings.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    when i was in school, it was easier to get pot than to get alcohol. the reason is that alcohol was available legally, which meant the dealers didn't sell it. you could get it, but you had to pay an adult a bunch of money to take the risk. pot, on the other hand, could be obtained easily, and dealers don't card. i suspect that once it's available in stores to adults with IDs, the dealers aren't going to waste time on it.

    but you know what? let's say that your fears are founded and high school kids can get pot more easily. it's still lousy policy to arrest people, ruin lives, and waste money on incarceration in a futile attempt to prevent anyone from using a drug that pretty much everyone has tried, and which is much less harmful than other legal drugs.
    No. It's lousy to break the law and/or excuse or encourage others to break the law.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well, that is true. But the extra success our children see will eventually be taxed away from them to pay for the stupid kids who spent their youth rotting their brain.
    Not if you legalize the good stuff. They won't be here.

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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    This is why it's good to let the States enact new laws that are controversial and allow them to try to make them work, so that the US at large can watch and use what it learns in the future.
    absolutely.The foundation of US federalism, is co-sovereignity between the states (and the people) and the fed's.

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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    use a vaporizer. Otherwise one gets tars, hot gasses, particuralates.
    Also weed is sucked deep into the lungs (bronchial tubes).

    I smoked from '68 to '99, no damage. I figured that was enough for myself. I'm not sick, and the recreational use does impare mental clarity.
    ( not too badly, but it does).

    If I ever need it for medical reason, will try edibles.
    I was pretty young when I started, managed to do OK in school, but surely would have done better without it.

    Young minds do not need to be using.
    I don't think youth should be using it, but I don't think they should be using alcohol or cigarettes. They still do. As I said, it is hard to get excited about pot when we have alcohol. Alcohol is far worse than pot and it alters your mind and if you used alcohol while going to school it would effect your studies as well.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post

    Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery...
    Uh, the laws didn't say that people were allowed to take it to school, nor did it say minors could have it. But don't let that reality get in the way of any ideological crap.
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