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sangha said:
I can just see those school administrators thinking "Hmmm, how can we teach those kids a lesson for smoking something that interferes with their ability to learn....I KNOW!!! Let's expel them!"
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So kicking a kid out for a poptart chewed into the shape of Idaho or wearing an NRA t-shirt is fine but kicking them out for pot is excessive. Swell.
 
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jmotivator said:
Maybe I am going out on a limb, but standing on a street corner with a few ounces of marijuana in your pockets is a little less conspicuous than standing on the street corner surrounded by cases on Budweiser. But maybe that is just me....

But then drinking is also very prevalent in schools, far more common than pot, because it is easier to obtain than pot. Solution: Make pot easier to obtain! (pro tip: not a super smart strategy).
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when i was in school, it was easier to get pot than to get alcohol. the reason is that alcohol was available legally, which meant the dealers didn't sell it. you could get it, but you had to pay an adult a bunch of money to take the risk. pot, on the other hand, could be obtained easily, and dealers don't card. i suspect that once it's available in stores to adults with IDs, the dealers aren't going to waste time on it.

but you know what? let's say that your fears are founded and high school kids can get pot more easily. it's still lousy policy to arrest people, ruin lives, and waste money on incarceration in a futile attempt to prevent anyone from using a drug that pretty much everyone has tried, and which is much less harmful than other legal drugs.
 
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jmotivator said:
It's more than just the one story.

Your statistics aren't significant that show a decrease in teen useage. Moreover, the teen usage statistics are collected on teens in school, so the statistics you cite that show a decline are actually catching the signal of the higher expulsion rate.

Expulsion of teens for marijuana is up 25% in Colorado since they began legalizing pot, 29% in total.

But you know, don't listen to the police and the teachers and the doctors... we need to be listening to the studies created and presented by the pot lobby. :roll:
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Interestingly enough, your "second" article is from Feb. 2012. This is before implementation of Prop 64. This kind of undermines the claim in your more recent article a tad. It seems this spike was already occurring to some degree already. edit: it was not until March 13 of 2012 that the assigned task force issued their recommendations of how marijuana should be regulated

Again, come back to me once we have a few years of data under our belt and we can talk. So far virtually all of the historical precedents in relaxation in drug laws have resulted in a decrease in underage use.

This is a large component of why I back ending drug prohibition. To put controls in place where there currently are none to make it more difficult for youth to attain.

edit: and for the claim in the article about the 1/2 ounce possession in middle school. I frequently had a 1/2 oz stuffed down my pants while in middle school during the 80's, this is nothing new.

*note I have not used drugs in close to a decade, and rarely drink, I cannot remember the last time I was intoxicated. I have no dog in this fight merely so that I may partake.
 
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jmotivator said:
Just proving that the argument made by the potheads that there wouldn't be an increase in children using pot was... well, the product of a pot smokers impaired mental capacities.
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Are they using it more or just less scared about doing so.

There was a time at school when we all lied on surveys about using drugs. Why give them more ammunition?

So we need to assess how much use is increasing vs lessening of the stigma/danger.
 
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Helix said:
when i was in school, it was easier to get pot than to get alcohol. the reason is that alcohol was available legally, which meant the dealers didn't sell it. you could get it, but you had to pay an adult a bunch of money to take the risk. pot, on the other hand, could be obtained easily, and dealers don't card. i suspect that once it's available in stores to adults with IDs, the dealers aren't going to waste time on it.
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Hah, yeah, because when you buy pot there is no adults taking risks. :roll:

Alcohol was very easy to come by when I was in high school. Pot wasn't. Our anecdotes cancel each other out.

but you know what? let's say that your fears are founded and high school kids can get pot more easily. it's still lousy policy to arrest people, ruin lives, and waste money on incarceration in a futile attempt to prevent anyone from using a drug that pretty much everyone has tried, and which is much less harmful than other legal drugs.
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I would argue it isn't the law that is ruining people's lives it is the people who risk their own lives in order to get high that are ruining their own lives.

Your argument is like blaming a shark attack on the "Beach Closed Due to Sharks!" signs rather than on the swimmers who ignored the warnings.
 
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Helix said:
when i was in school, it was easier to get pot than to get alcohol. the reason is that alcohol was available legally, which meant the dealers didn't sell it. you could get it, but you had to pay an adult a bunch of money to take the risk. pot, on the other hand, could be obtained easily, and dealers don't card. i suspect that once it's available in stores to adults with IDs, the dealers aren't going to waste time on it.

but you know what? let's say that your fears are founded and high school kids can get pot more easily. it's still lousy policy to arrest people, ruin lives, and waste money on incarceration in a futile attempt to prevent anyone from using a drug that pretty much everyone has tried, and which is much less harmful than other legal drugs.
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No. It's lousy to break the law and/or excuse or encourage others to break the law.
 
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jmotivator said:
Well, that is true. But the extra success our children see will eventually be taxed away from them to pay for the stupid kids who spent their youth rotting their brain.
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Not if you legalize the good stuff. They won't be here.
 
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aberrant85 said:
This is why it's good to let the States enact new laws that are controversial and allow them to try to make them work, so that the US at large can watch and use what it learns in the future.
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absolutely.The foundation of US federalism, is co-sovereignity between the states (and the people) and the fed's.

Laboratories of democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Louis Brandeis in New State Ice Co. v. Liebmann to describe how a:
"state may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country."
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annata said:
use a vaporizer. Otherwise one gets tars, hot gasses, particuralates.
Also weed is sucked deep into the lungs (bronchial tubes).

I smoked from '68 to '99, no damage. I figured that was enough for myself. I'm not sick, and the recreational use does impare mental clarity.
( not too badly, but it does).

If I ever need it for medical reason, will try edibles.
I was pretty young when I started, managed to do OK in school, but surely would have done better without it.

Young minds do not need to be using.
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I don't think youth should be using it, but I don't think they should be using alcohol or cigarettes. They still do. As I said, it is hard to get excited about pot when we have alcohol. Alcohol is far worse than pot and it alters your mind and if you used alcohol while going to school it would effect your studies as well.
 
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jmotivator said:
Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery... :roll:
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Uh, the laws didn't say that people were allowed to take it to school, nor did it say minors could have it. But don't let that reality get in the way of any ideological crap.
 
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jmotivator said:
Hah, yeah, because when you buy pot there is no adults taking risks. :roll:

Alcohol was very easy to come by when I was in high school. Pot wasn't. Our anecdotes cancel each other out.



I would argue it isn't the law that is ruining people's lives it is the people who risk their own lives in order to get high that are ruining their own lives.

Your argument is like blaming a shark attack on the "Beach Closed Due to Sharks!" signs rather than on the swimmers who ignored the warnings.
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eh, i've heard enough horror stories from prohibitionists to last a lifetime. luckily, more than half the country is awake and is pretty much ignoring the drug warriors, at least on the pot issue. it's going to be legal sooner rather than later. it's time to admit the failure and move on.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
No. It's lousy to break the law and/or excuse or encourage others to break the law.
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this law was based on bull****. not to mention that basically everyone has disregarded it at some point, including the last three presidents. time to flush it down the john.
 
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jmotivator said:
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Expulsion of teens for marijuana is up 25% in Colorado since they began legalizing pot, 29% in total.
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Please link your source.
 
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jmotivator said:
Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization - The Denver Post

"GRAND JUNCTION — In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.

Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.

"When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said."


Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery... :roll:
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Liberals would be hilarious if they weren't so dangerous. Pot use up? What's the big deal, it happens all the time!
God forbid these kids start bringing sodas to school, then we'll need to do something!
 
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jmotivator said:
Just proving that the argument made by the potheads that there wouldn't be an increase in children using pot was... well, the product of a pot smokers impaired mental capacities.
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Natural selection. Go ahead and be a pothead so I can take the bettet job you would have had.
 
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jmotivator said:
Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization - The Denver Post

"GRAND JUNCTION — In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.

Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.

"When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said."


Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery... :roll:
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I knew. OF-COURSE legalizing marijuana allows kid to have access to it. It was my primary complaint. Unbelievable.

Can we just give Colorado up as a lost cause and not count them as part of our population now ?
 
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sbrettt said:
Please link your source.
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Medical Marijuana laws passed in 2009/2010 in Colorado led to a a jump in drug expulsions rates from 534 the prior year to 753 the following year, and hasn't dropped to pre-law rates yet. Overall drug violations jumped as well, and the decrease since 2010 is because of the high rate of expulsions.

Funny how drugs are no less illegal for kids after 2009 than they were before, yet 2009/2010 marks a distinct increase in drug violations... hmmm... maybe it has something to do with easier access to the drug?

From the reports we are seeing now it looks like 2013-2014 school year will be another big year for drugs in school in Colorado, compliments of the new drug laws.

I wouldn't be surprised to find the overall decline in other school violations over that same time is because the bad crowd is burning itself out of public school.
 
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Jerry said:
Natural selection. Go ahead and be a pothead so I can take the bettet job you would have had.
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Some of us take the better job regardless. ;)
 
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jmotivator said:
It's more than just the one story.

Your statistics aren't significant that show a decrease in teen useage. Moreover, the teen usage statistics are collected on teens in school, so the statistics you cite that show a decline are actually catching the signal of the higher expulsion rate.

Expulsion of teens for marijuana is up 25% in Colorado since they began legalizing pot, 29% in total.

But you know, don't listen to the police and the teachers and the doctors... we need to be listening to the studies created and presented by the pot lobby. :roll:
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Let's take a look at the statistics from your link:

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Things that went up:
Drugs: +27%
Detrimental behavior: +28%


Things that went down:
Alcohol: -26%
Tobacco: -34%
Dangerous weapons: -34%
Robbery: -78%
Felonies: -25%
Disobedience: -6%
Distruction of school property: -38%
Other code of conduct violations: -36%

Total negative behavior: -17%

If you also look, drug offenses only make up about 5% of the total offenses. Considering tobacco and alcohol are far worse for your health than pot, and so is robbery, dangerous weapons and felonies, I'd say the kids of colorado have made a massive net positive over the past 10 years. That's not even taking into account the fact that drug use is on the rise everywhere, not just Colorado.

Looks like your hysteria is bunk.
 
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jmotivator said:
Medical Marijuana laws passed in 2009/2010 in Colorado led to a a jump in drug expulsions rates from 534 the prior year to 753 the following year, and hasn't dropped to pre-law rates yet. Overall drug violations jumped as well, and the decrease since 2010 is because of the high rate of expulsions.
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That's odd because your first link said that CO doesn't break out the # of expulsions for possession of pot, so how can they know if the # increased?


There are no hard numbers yet because school disciplinary statistics do not isolate marijuana from general drug violations

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RabidAlpaca said:
Let's take a look at the statistics from your link:

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Things that went up:
Drugs: +27%
Detrimental behavior: +28%


Things that went down:
Alcohol: -26%
Tobacco: -34%
Dangerous weapons: -34%
Robbery: -78%
Felonies: -25%
Disobedience: -6%
Distruction of school property: -38%
Other code of conduct violations: -36%

Total negative behavior: -17%

If you also look, drug offenses only make up about 5% of the total offenses. Considering tobacco and alcohol are far worse for your health than pot, and so is robbery, dangerous weapons and felonies, I'd say the kids of colorado have made a massive net positive over the past 10 years. That's not even taking into account the fact that drug use is on the rise everywhere, not just Colorado.

Looks like your hysteria is bunk.
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Hah, yeah. Who cares about the 5%? It's a small number... it's not like they are children or anything....

Oh wait....

Oh, and I don't think that the correlation between increase is drug use and increases in detrimental behavior says what your think it says.

Also, you can spout the propaganda of "pot is safer than alcohol and tobacco!" all you want, but that is an argument against alcohol and tobacco, not in favor of marijuana even if it were true (which it isn't).
 
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jmotivator said:
Hah, yeah. Who cares about the 5%?
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The 5% is for all drugs, not pot and there's no evidence that the # of expulsion due to pot possession have increased.
 
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jmotivator said:
Hah, yeah. Who cares about the 5%? It's a small number... it's not like they are children or anything....

Oh wait....

Oh, and I don't think that the correlation between increase is drug use and increases in detrimental behavior says what your think it says.

Also, you can spout the propaganda of "pot is safer than alcohol and tobacco!" all you want, but that is an argument against alcohol and tobacco, not in favor of marijuana even if it were true (which it isn't).
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So you'll just ignore all of the massive decreases in the other areas like violence and robberies and hone in one thing as if it were the only thing that mattered?

Fact is, your OP is bunk, less people are being expelled and there is less overall bad behavior. Secondly, as we've pointed out multiple times, you've failed to show that the increase has been relative to other states.

We all agree kids shouldn't use drugs, but you're trying to operate on the assumption that they won't if it's illegal, which frankly shows that you don't have a grasp on reality. (And were also probably a nerd in high school)
 
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This made me laugh.

One that an officer related at a meeting recently involved a student dropping a small baggie of marijuana from his pocket as he was walking down a school hallway. The school principal was walking past the student at the time and picked up the pot. He asked the student if it belonged to him. The student immediately admitted it was his and reached out to take it back from the principal.

What struck Krueger and the officer about this incident was the fact that the student didn't seem to realize that there was anything wrong with having the pot or that there would be any disciplinary consequence for it. The officer said the student acted like having marijuana was an ordinary thing and no big deal.
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This is a good thing. There was a time when such a situation could ruin your life.
 
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