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    Yeah, let's blame inanimate things and not hold people accountable.

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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    People should be able to do as they like so long as they aren't hurting others in the process. Do you care to conduct your arguments with intellectual honesty and actually answer the question posed, or is this just Deflection Central?
    I've already answered your question when asked by others. Even if I concede that alcohol and tobacco are as bad or worse than marijuana (I'm not) it isn't a justification for aiding the further proliferation of yet another damaging intoxicant into the society. Some things we have to live with at this point but that doesn't mean giving up.

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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I've already answered your question when asked by others. Even if I concede that alcohol and tobacco are as bad or worse than marijuana (I'm not) it isn't a justification for aiding the further proliferation of yet another damaging intoxicant into the society. Some things we have to live with at this point but that doesn't mean giving up.
    Realizing the obvious and ending counter-productive policies is not giving up.

    As an example, the U.S. has managed to significantly reduce the number of tobacco users without needing to put anyone in jail or making foreign tobacco cartels rich beyond measure.

    And FWIW, you never answered my earlier questions:

    How many billions should we sink into the War on Some Drugs, and how many people do we have put in prison so that Drug Warriors can declare victory?

    How many billions of dollars should we continue to fork over to drug cartels, rather than pumping through our own economy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Realizing the obvious and ending counter-productive policies is not giving up.

    As an example, the U.S. has managed to significantly reduce the number of tobacco users without needing to put anyone in jail or making foreign tobacco cartels rich beyond measure.

    And FWIW, you never answered my earlier questions:

    How many billions should we sink into the War on Some Drugs, and how many people do we have put in prison so that Drug Warriors can declare victory?

    How many billions of dollars should we continue to fork over to drug cartels, rather than pumping through our own economy?
    Lets see, if we make everything legal, then we have zero convicts. Look at the money we save on prisons. I don't think that's what you mean but it follows the same type thinking.

    We hear time after time about if we make pot legal we will see a huge drop in the prison population. I don't think so. Criminals break laws. Those in jail for pot do not respect the law. if they did, they wouldn't be in jail. Make it legal and most if not all will still break laws and still be back in the pen. We will just have an even bigger problem with pot.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Realizing the obvious and ending counter-productive policies is not giving up.
    If drug use goes up after legalization then the old laws were not counter-productive.


    As an example, the U.S. has managed to significantly reduce the number of tobacco users without needing to put anyone in jail or making foreign tobacco cartels rich beyond measure.

    And many have died of lung cancer and heart disease and other tobacco related diseases in the mean time. Do you consider this a success?

    Ironically, many picked up the disgusting habit after listening to the tobacco sales pitch that it was really harmless. Today's pot propaganda is nothing more than the comically stupid tobacco ads of the 50s and 60s. If you folks want to go down in history looking as dumb as Mike Wallace does in those ads then go for it.


    And FWIW, you never answered my earlier questions:

    How many billions should we sink into the War on Some Drugs, and how many people do we have put in prison so that Drug Warriors can declare victory?

    How many billions of dollars should we continue to fork over to drug cartels, rather than pumping through our own economy?

    FWIW I did answer that question already. Maybe you just didn't like it.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    We hear time after time about if we make pot legal we will see a huge drop in the prison population. I don't think so. Criminals break laws. Those in jail for pot do not respect the law. if they did, they wouldn't be in jail. Make it legal and most if not all will still break laws and still be back in the pen. We will just have an even bigger problem with pot.
    Even if that were true, at least they would then be jailed for crimes that aren't based in lies and moral crusades.

    People will respect the law more when it focuses on important crimes, instead of rationalizing pointless spending on minor vices.

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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I've already answered your question when asked by others. Even if I concede that alcohol and tobacco are as bad or worse than marijuana (I'm not) it isn't a justification for aiding the further proliferation of yet another damaging intoxicant into the society. Some things we have to live with at this point but that doesn't mean giving up.

    Having two holes in the boat's hull is not justification for a third.
    Should we outlaw alcohol? Do you think that would stop people from drinking? Do you think it would decrease crime? Would it make the country safer? Would it increase the health of the country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Even if that were true, at least they would then be jailed for crimes that aren't based in lies and moral crusades.

    People will respect the law more when it focuses on important crimes, instead of rationalizing pointless spending on minor vices.
    Nothing I've seen has shown that anti drug laws are based on "lies and moral crusades". Nothing. Perhaps some political noise by some included that, but the laws are based on sound reasoning.

    Sorry. People will not respect the law more by focusing on other crimes. Just as a "Ho gonna Ho" other criminals are going to commit crime.
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