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And I assume you support legalizing krocodil?

People should be able to do as they like so long as they aren't hurting others in the process. Do you care to conduct your arguments with intellectual honesty and actually answer the question posed, or is this just Deflection Central?
 
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Exactly, so making pot illegal is just plain silly.

This may surprise you, but I think it should be decriminalized. This makes me more a Libertarian than Conservative, and in those political position polls, I always end up right by Milton Friedman.

We should be left alone to the greatest extent possible. Salt, soda, trans fat, smoking... and extending it to taxes, regulations, and the like... so I find it odd that the Omnipotent and Omnipresent Left is so gung-ho for weed. As if it's some great asset to one's life and existence. It isn't, but if someone wants to get loaded... and even every minute of the day... so be it (so long as your employer can set standards and fire your ass if he doesn't want a pot head)... but please... Leftists... **** off with your controlling our lives as if we are retards. Which is how you folks treat the masses.
 
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....but please... Leftists... **** off with your controlling our lives as if we are retards. Which is how you folks treat the masses.

Both the right AND the left have used big government for things they want to control peoples lives with. It was the right that wanted to ban flag burning, gay marriage, and seeks to be the morality police for the populace.
 
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Democrats - the racist slave owners of old, fools of modern time, thieves of wealth, warmongers
Republicans - the hypocritical moral police of modern time, thieves of wealth, warmongers

And yet people still 'identify' with this?

I'm ashamed to say I've voted for a Democrat and Republican. I should have known better.

Putting people in jail for smoking a plant is insanity.

Conversely: not putting people in jail for manufacturing chemical drugs is insanity

The vast majority would probably agree. Oddly, the vast majority will still vote for these corrupt sociopathic political institutions.
 
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The problem is I will not be left alone by the potheads. From the added costs to education to the large number that go on to leech off of society you can't be left alone. If there were some way to force tax paying potheads to foot the entire bill for all of the welfare collecting potheads I might be in favor of legalization.

And Obamacare can only promise to increase those costs.

At one time the entertainment industry promoted the idea that drugs were cool. If they began promoting the idea that you have to be really, really stupid to deliberately addle your brain then perhaps it might have a positive effect on younger people.
 
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This may surprise you, but I think it should be decriminalized. This makes me more a Libertarian than Conservative, and in those political position polls, I always end up right by Milton Friedman.

We should be left alone to the greatest extent possible. Salt, soda, trans fat, smoking... and extending it to taxes, regulations, and the like... so I find it odd that the Omnipotent and Omnipresent Left is so gung-ho for weed. As if it's some great asset to one's life and existence. It isn't, but if someone wants to get loaded... and even every minute of the day... so be it (so long as your employer can set standards and fire your ass if he doesn't want a pot head)... but please... Leftists... **** off with your controlling our lives as if we are retards. Which is how you folks treat the masses.

I agree that it should be legalized but also, like littering, spitting on the side walk or exposing yourself, it should become socially unacceptable and seriously frowned upon.
 
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Both the right AND the left have used big government for things they want to control peoples lives with. It was the right that wanted to ban flag burning, gay marriage, and seeks to be the morality police for the populace.

Your comparisons are laughable.

What the right asks of a civil society does not run the country 17 TRILLION in debt and cause 60 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities.
 
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Your comparisons are laughable.

What the right asks of a civil society does not run the country 17 TRILLION in debt and cause 60 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities.

You can make all the excuses all you want but the fact is that not all of that 17 TRILLION happened under Obama but then that would go against your pathetic partisan hackery. Sorry you hate facts that the right also uses big government as the morality police.

Your comments just confirm your hackery.
 
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You can make all the excuses all you want but the fact is that not all of that 17 TRILLION happened under Obama but then that would go against your pathetic partisan hackery. Sorry you hate facts that the right also uses big government as the morality police.

Your comments just confirm your hackery.

Obama is responsible for 5TRILLION in 5-years, and the other 12 trillion you can point to Socialist legislation... as well as the 60TRILLION in unfunded Socialist liabilities.
It's not limited government that causes these burdens on future generations... but hey, call me a partisan hack (a defender of Liberty, Freedom and Limited government)... so long as you realize you are blind, dumb and well... a major league ignorant.

Do we have a Deal? ROTFLOL...

And it's not hackery to point out the obvious... that it is Socialist legislation... you know... programs like ObamaKare, where they promise great things and when reality hits the fan their Socialist Theories look more than absolutely moronic.

But hey... keep on being a Belieber if you must... and I realize some people must because they have not just wedded themselves to a destructive ideology, but have welded themselves to it. They cannot retreat... but the intellectually honest like Krauthammer (and myself) do. When proven wrong... the honest change course. It's may not be the most comfortable to realize you've been wrong, but abandoning failure is liberating. You ought to try it.
 
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Back to the topic. Again, the problems in CO schools with those underage is entirely due to a failure on the part of teachers and police to educate on the new law. And are we seeing similar problems in Washington state where it is also now legal?
 
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You can make all the excuses all you want but the fact is that not all of that 17 TRILLION happened under Obama but then that would go against your pathetic partisan hackery. Sorry you hate facts that the right also uses big government as the morality police.

Your comments just confirm your hackery.

Of course it was not said that Obama caused all that debt, only that the country has run up a debt to $17 trillion. When Obama finally leaves it will probably be $20 trillion. Obama says adding $4 trillion to debt is unpatriotic. - YouTube
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Notice the title of the thread? It does not include Obama or the economy in it. If your post DOES, you will find out what an infraction or a thread ban feels like.
 
Yeah, let's blame inanimate things and not hold people accountable.
 
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People should be able to do as they like so long as they aren't hurting others in the process. Do you care to conduct your arguments with intellectual honesty and actually answer the question posed, or is this just Deflection Central?

I've already answered your question when asked by others. Even if I concede that alcohol and tobacco are as bad or worse than marijuana (I'm not) it isn't a justification for aiding the further proliferation of yet another damaging intoxicant into the society. Some things we have to live with at this point but that doesn't mean giving up.

Having two holes in the boat's hull is not justification for a third.
 
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I've already answered your question when asked by others. Even if I concede that alcohol and tobacco are as bad or worse than marijuana (I'm not) it isn't a justification for aiding the further proliferation of yet another damaging intoxicant into the society. Some things we have to live with at this point but that doesn't mean giving up.

Realizing the obvious and ending counter-productive policies is not giving up.

As an example, the U.S. has managed to significantly reduce the number of tobacco users without needing to put anyone in jail or making foreign tobacco cartels rich beyond measure.

And FWIW, you never answered my earlier questions:

How many billions should we sink into the War on Some Drugs, and how many people do we have put in prison so that Drug Warriors can declare victory?

How many billions of dollars should we continue to fork over to drug cartels, rather than pumping through our own economy?
 
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Realizing the obvious and ending counter-productive policies is not giving up.

As an example, the U.S. has managed to significantly reduce the number of tobacco users without needing to put anyone in jail or making foreign tobacco cartels rich beyond measure.

And FWIW, you never answered my earlier questions:

How many billions should we sink into the War on Some Drugs, and how many people do we have put in prison so that Drug Warriors can declare victory?

How many billions of dollars should we continue to fork over to drug cartels, rather than pumping through our own economy?

Lets see, if we make everything legal, then we have zero convicts. Look at the money we save on prisons. I don't think that's what you mean but it follows the same type thinking.

We hear time after time about if we make pot legal we will see a huge drop in the prison population. I don't think so. Criminals break laws. Those in jail for pot do not respect the law. if they did, they wouldn't be in jail. Make it legal and most if not all will still break laws and still be back in the pen. We will just have an even bigger problem with pot.
 
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Realizing the obvious and ending counter-productive policies is not giving up.

If drug use goes up after legalization then the old laws were not counter-productive.


As an example, the U.S. has managed to significantly reduce the number of tobacco users without needing to put anyone in jail or making foreign tobacco cartels rich beyond measure.


And many have died of lung cancer and heart disease and other tobacco related diseases in the mean time. Do you consider this a success?

Ironically, many picked up the disgusting habit after listening to the tobacco sales pitch that it was really harmless. Today's pot propaganda is nothing more than the comically stupid tobacco ads of the 50s and 60s. If you folks want to go down in history looking as dumb as Mike Wallace does in those ads then go for it.


And FWIW, you never answered my earlier questions:

How many billions should we sink into the War on Some Drugs, and how many people do we have put in prison so that Drug Warriors can declare victory?

How many billions of dollars should we continue to fork over to drug cartels, rather than pumping through our own economy?


FWIW I did answer that question already. Maybe you just didn't like it.
 
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We hear time after time about if we make pot legal we will see a huge drop in the prison population. I don't think so. Criminals break laws. Those in jail for pot do not respect the law. if they did, they wouldn't be in jail. Make it legal and most if not all will still break laws and still be back in the pen. We will just have an even bigger problem with pot.

Even if that were true, at least they would then be jailed for crimes that aren't based in lies and moral crusades.

People will respect the law more when it focuses on important crimes, instead of rationalizing pointless spending on minor vices.
 
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I've already answered your question when asked by others. Even if I concede that alcohol and tobacco are as bad or worse than marijuana (I'm not) it isn't a justification for aiding the further proliferation of yet another damaging intoxicant into the society. Some things we have to live with at this point but that doesn't mean giving up.

Having two holes in the boat's hull is not justification for a third.

Should we outlaw alcohol? Do you think that would stop people from drinking? Do you think it would decrease crime? Would it make the country safer? Would it increase the health of the country?
 
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Even if that were true, at least they would then be jailed for crimes that aren't based in lies and moral crusades.

People will respect the law more when it focuses on important crimes, instead of rationalizing pointless spending on minor vices.

Nothing I've seen has shown that anti drug laws are based on "lies and moral crusades". Nothing. Perhaps some political noise by some included that, but the laws are based on sound reasoning.

Sorry. People will not respect the law more by focusing on other crimes. Just as a "Ho gonna Ho" other criminals are going to commit crime.
 
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Nothing I've seen has shown that anti drug laws are based on "lies and moral crusades". Nothing. Perhaps some political noise by some included that, but the laws are based on sound reasoning.

Then you haven't looked. You might start with the documentary Grass, which is biased but still an interesting and accurate look at the evolution of marijuana law in the U.S. I heartily recommend the Schaffer Library of Drug Policy, which has pretty much every major study of the issue. Maybe you can find the one that concluded that marijuana prohibition is the best policy.

Sorry. People will not respect the law more by focusing on other crimes. Just as a "Ho gonna Ho" other criminals are going to commit crime.

Don't be sorry. Educate yourself, or educate me about your plan where crime ceases to exist. Most "marijuana criminals" are only criminals because marijuana is illegal.

Wouldn't you rather have our limit police forces chasing dangerous criminals, rather than potheads? If your position is correct, the criminals will be chased regardless, but by legalizing marijuana way we can leave otherwise peaceful people alone. How is that worse?
 
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Then you haven't looked. You might start with the documentary Grass, which is biased but still an interesting and accurate look at the evolution of marijuana law in the U.S. I heartily recommend the Schaffer Library of Drug Policy, which has pretty much every major study of the issue. Maybe you can find the one that concluded that marijuana prohibition is the best policy.



Don't be sorry. Educate yourself, or educate me about your plan where crime ceases to exist. Most "marijuana criminals" are only criminals because marijuana is illegal.

Wouldn't you rather have our limit police forces chasing dangerous criminals, rather than potheads? If your position is correct, the criminals will be chased regardless, but by legalizing marijuana way we can leave otherwise peaceful people alone. How is that worse?

No, I have looked. I think most of the stuff was written by pot heads making any excuse just like in this thread.

All "marijuana criminals" are criminals because they have committed crime. Excusing breaking any law because a person does not agree with the law is just an excuse. Potheads support murderers, thieves, kidnappers and everything else in pursuit of their own criminal activity. Doesn't seem very "peaceful" to me.
 
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No, I have looked. I think most of the stuff was written by pot heads making any excuse just like in this thread.

The site I linked contains government sponsored scientific studies going back all the way to 1894. If you'd looked you'd know that. That's ok, it's pretty boring reading. Just report after report saying marijuana is not a serious public health issue.

All "marijuana criminals" are criminals because they have committed crime. Excusing breaking any law because a person does not agree with the law is just an excuse. Potheads support murderers, thieves, kidnappers and everything else in pursuit of their own criminal activity. Doesn't seem very "peaceful" to me.

The government supports drug cartel's profits by artificially inflating the price of drugs. The efforts to fight the behavior only makes things worse. Marijuana is a bit different from other drugs here, in that it can be produced nearly anywhere, and the profit margins are to as wide. That said, plenty of weed moves over our borders, enriching foreign drug producers.

Let's try another way, if you're game:

What was the original reason marijuana was made illegal in the U.S.? Was it justified?
 
Pot is a plant. It shouldn't be legal or illegal. It's just a ****ing plant.
 
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