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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So you are trying to correlate increased marijuana use in teens with lower crime rate now? I'd bet the lower crime rate has something to do with the increased suspensions and expulsions. Send the douchebags home and they aren't robbing kids in school anymore.

    In case you missed it, there is more then a casual correlation between substance abuse and criminal behavior...




    More people are being expelled for drug reasons. What does it matter is all other reasons are on the decline? If anything I find that fact accentuates the problem of increased drug use in school.



    Straw man argument. I never said kids won't do drugs in they are illegal. In fact I said the exact opposite on this very thread. What I DID say was that marijuana use among children has and will increase as a result of marijuana legalization. If you really agree that kids shouldn't do drugs then you shouldn't be supporting a law that clearly increases drug use among children... but you are anyway... so I have to doubt your actual commitment to that stance in principle because in practice you support policy that directly contributes to higher drug use among children.



    I have quite a keen grasp of reality. I credit most of it to all those years I spent in school not doing drugs.
    All I did was show that your hysteria is bull****. Things as a whole aren't getting worse, they're getting better, and drug use is increasing everywhere.


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    You seem to be saying that the bad things that went down were due to the other bad things that went up. Is that about right? And the proof of that is where? Or you forgot that part? So we should be trying to increase drug use now? Sorry, I am just missing the brilliance here.
    I have no idea where you got any of that. What I was showing was that the OP hysteria that all of our kids are now ****ed and more are getting expelled is ridiculous. Despite an increase in drug usage we see almost every other category going down.

    Drug usage is going up EVERYWHERE. The drug war is not working, time to try something else.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization - The Denver Post

    "GRAND JUNCTION In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.

    Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.

    "When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said."



    Who could have foreseen this? It's a mystery...
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Like I said, the director of the Colorado department that tracks that data had no trouble reporting that 32% of expulsions were for marijuana (out of 41% that were drug related), so obviously they do track this. It also makes perfect sense that they track that data since they need to know what kinds of drugs kids are doing to appropriately counter that trend.
    Well, no it's not obvious. All it shows is that the director was willing to say that. Whether or not it is true is another matter.


    No, it shows that pot is by far the most abused drug among young people. So what drug do you think is on the rise among teens in a state that just legalized marijuana?
    Unlike you, I am unwilling to base policy on the basis of speculation.




    That is a nationwide trend, so don't expect to see Colorado's problems front and center. There is a noticeable decline in children's perception of the harmfulness of marijuana which, as the chart shows, leads to higher marijuana use.
    And again, since it's nationwide, it says nothing about how the CO laws have affected those #'s.

    Let me know when you have some hard evidence that pot use among school kids has increased due to the legalization of pot in CO. Until you have something, you've got nothing
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    All I did was show that your hysteria is bull****. Things as a whole aren't getting worse, they're getting better, and drug use is increasing everywhere.
    You are arguing that the tip of the iceberg is the whole iceberg. Drug related disciplinary actions are up in Colorado because drug use is up in Colorado schools. Drug use in school spiked coinciding with the proliferation of pot dispensaries in the state. Pot use during brain development is a known contributor to a wide range of psychological and learning impairments. And you argue it is "only 5%". You are the one arguing bull**** here, RA.

    By your argument we shouldn't really worry about colon cancer because it only affects 1% of the population.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Do you have statistics on this? Has drinking become boring to high schoolers?

    And Netherlands is currently rethinking its marijuana laws because of the detrimental effect it is having on there country. Turns out potheads aren't such a great element even when smoking legally. Again, who knew?!
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Well, no it's not obvious. All it shows is that the director was willing to say that. Whether or not it is true is another matter.
    Sure, keep arguing that.

    Drug use up in Colorado schools coinciding with legalization of Marijuana [cited]... marijuana is the most abused drug among school children [cited]... studies show an increase in medical marijuana addiction among children in Denver drug treatment facilities ... police officials report an increase in marijuana use among Colorado school children [cited]... school officials report and increase in marijuana use among school children [cited] ... the director of the Colorado School Safety Resource Center say the increase in school expulsion is from marijuana use [cited]...

    But yeah, probably Vicodin abuse...



    Unlike you, I am unwilling to base policy on the basis of speculation.

    Oh man, spit my coffee out! You are the person who supports any number of speculative policy endeavors from Obamacare to Drug legalization. The entirety of Liberal Progressive policy is based on speculation.


    And again, since it's nationwide, it says nothing about how the CO laws have affected those #'s.

    *sigh* This is how statistics work. General trends can be used to infer smaller group trends, but smaller groups can't be used to infer more general trends.

    Let me know when you have some hard evidence that pot use among school kids has increased due to the legalization of pot in CO. Until you have something, you've got nothing
    I have let you know. You are just unwilling to accept it.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Authoritarian conservatives are having a detrimental effect on our country... But I don't advocate making your existence illegal.

    Why am I having to tell a conservative about personal responsibility?

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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    we don't talk honestly about drugs in this country. Too many special interests, from Big Pharma to Law Enforcement.

    Some things you just have to understand by experience, and digging out the thruth, or the different sides to a debate.
    for Kids, we just tell them, they don't have enough real world experience to know the spin on things.

    I agree some honesty would go a long way, I remember thinking "well they lied to me about grass, they're lying to me about ALL drugs"
    Later on as my friends died from overdoses, i found out all drugs aren't the same.

    Would help to just educate, and not lie to kids. "this is your brain on drugs" kinna ridiculous ads.
    I used to do mandatory volunteer work for a substance abuse clinic that took in young teens as part of the town's "scared straight" program after I had a run in with the law. I said all the stuff in the packet like I was supposed to, and when the councilor left, I put the packet down and told them what they really needed to hear. I'd like to think I helped at least one of them.
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    Re: Pot problems in Colorado schools increase with legalization Read more: Pot probl

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Sure, keep arguing that.

    Drug use up in Colorado schools coinciding with legalization of Marijuana [cited]... marijuana is the most abused drug among school children [cited]... studies show an increase in medical marijuana addiction among children in Denver drug treatment facilities ... police officials report an increase in marijuana use among Colorado school children [cited]... school officials report and increase in marijuana use among school children [cited] ... the director of the Colorado School Safety Resource Center say the increase in school expulsion is from marijuana use [cited]...

    But yeah, probably Vicodin abuse...






    Oh man, spit my coffee out! You are the person who supports any number of speculative policy endeavors from Obamacare to Drug legalization. The entirety of Liberal Progressive policy is based on speculation.





    *sigh* This is how statistics work. General trends can be used to infer smaller group trends, but smaller groups can't be used to infer more general trends.



    I have let you know. You are just unwilling to accept it.
    IOW, you still don't have any credible data that pot use is up amongst school kids since pot was legalized in CO
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