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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You mean the old system, when my copays were $20 instead of $100, and when my deductible was $500 instead of $2,000?

    Yes, I miss that system, and I'm fortunate to be able to afford it. This is KILLING a lot of middle-class and poor Americans right now, who aren't taking their kids to the doctor because they don't have the $100.

    Not to mention, overall rates are skyrocketing, and people can't see their doctors in many cases.

    Yeah, this is just great.
    I often wonder what ever happened to the 'HMO model'? When our kids were younger, and we lived in Maryland, we had Kaiser HMO through my wife's work....It was great! Office visits were $5, and prescriptions were $10 no matter what they were. Diagnostic services like X-ray, lab, MRI etc. were on site, and included with the office visit.

    I thought that was the future of Medicine, and when she lost that plan, (too expensive for the business) we had to go back to the traditional 80/20 plan....That hurt.
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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I often wonder what ever happened to the 'HMO model'? When our kids were younger, and we lived in Maryland, we had Kaiser HMO through my wife's work....It was great! Office visits were $5, and prescriptions were $10 no matter what they were. Diagnostic services like X-ray, lab, MRI etc. were on site, and included with the office visit.

    I thought that was the future of Medicine, and when she lost that plan, (too expensive for the business) we had to go back to the traditional 80/20 plan....That hurt.
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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    At this point, I don't believe any of the #'s nor do I care. What counts is what happens in the longer term.
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    At this rate, the Libbis won't get to participare in that. Lol'
    That is my point. If it fails, it will go down in history one way. If it survives (survives, not necessarily succeeds in a big way), then history will be written by the other team.

    Personally, I wish it would succeed so all this time and money isn't wasted. I never wish my country ill. I don't cheer our losses in wars I don't approve of. But I'm skeptical of any legislation as overblown as this and containing so many individual rewards.

    We'll all know well before the next election.

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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, the #'s are people who signed up for coverage.
    So are you saying that it does not include the Administration's numbers for "people who have signed up and created accounts but not purchased insurance"? You can go ahead and click through a plan, sure, but if you don't buy, then it's meaningless.

    IT may include Medicaid. In fact it probably does but that's not surprising. If someone is eligible for Medicaid, then it's a no-brainer for them. It's the cheapest option. If they're not eligible, then they have a decision to make. That takes time
    I think that is likely. But we need paying customers to keep this thing fiscally solvent.

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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So are you saying that it does not include the Administration's numbers for "people who have signed up and created accounts but not purchased insurance"? You can go ahead and click through a plan, sure, but if you don't buy, then it's meaningless.



    I think that is likely. But we need paying customers to keep this thing fiscally solvent.
    then that is why it is a good idea to encourage people to sign up.

    oh and congress can maybe fix the problems ?
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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    True, but as a practical matter, something like insurance is a complicated acquisition. You are not likely to buy the insurance on your first visit. I am in the market, I am enrolled and I am weighing the option of a silver plan vs. re-upping on my Kaiser small business plan, which will renew for one year at a 15% increase. The Kaiser silver plan appears to be more than 50% less from what I had been paying. I am trying to get comfortable that it truly is less and what I might lose moving from one to the other. So, I am a legit active buyer, but have not yet bought.
    Sure. But you shouldn't be captured for "having bought" statistics until you actually have. People can click through a plan and have no intention of buying, or then decide that they didn't want to.

    I agree probably many of those folks - like youreslf - will buy insurance. But it is disengenious to go ahead and throw them in the count, and the Administration should make clear the distinction instead.

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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    then that is why it is a good idea to encourage people to sign up.
    depending on your preferred future, sure.

    oh and congress can maybe fix the problems ?
    the problems aren't a bug, they're a feature. "Fixing" Obamacare will require radical redesign, not small administrative fixes.

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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    depending on your preferred future, sure.



    the problems aren't a bug, they're a feature. "Fixing" Obamacare will require radical redesign, not small administrative fixes.
    so who has the power to make those fixes?
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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You mean that big bad mandate that according to the Right is going to plunge us into socialism has no teeth? So they lied about it? Why is that not surprising?
    I was going to respond, and then I remembered, you're not supposed to answer a fool according to their folly.

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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    so who has the power to make those fixes?
    It would take both Congress to pass legislation seriously revamping the program and the President to sign rather than veto it (good luck on that).

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