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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hmm...You have a choice to pay $95 this year via a fine from the IRS.. OR you have a choice to pay (i'll be nice and say..) $50 per month for insurance. (because lets face it..most people will not qualify for fully subsidized health insurance..the ones that can might as well be on Medicaid.) So....pay $95 or pay 600. What choice do you all think people are going to pick? I know which one I am going to pick...
    I agree. Which is why the people dropped from their individual plans at this point, and those that will be dropped from group plans next year when the business waiver runs out are needed by Obama, always were. And he cynically lied straight to the face of the American people with his promises. Now it may be too late....The system may be irrevocably broken, just as I believe was the plan all along...
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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Well, its the greater of $95 or a 1% surtax on taxable income... that would be $1,000 to someone with $100K of taxable income. That is a little more compelling. ... and this is the "soft year". Each go up next year to $325 or a 2% surtax in 2015; and finally to $695 or 2.5% of taxable income thereafter.

    The Individual Mandate And Health Insurance
    If you don't get a tax refund, they have no way of collecting it. (And as anyone with any financial sense knows, you should never get a refund if you're doing it right.)

    This will hurt people who actually think a tax refund is a good idea. And they will be none to happy when they find out their spending more on Obamacare in the long run than what their tax refund is.

    This monster needs cash. And it needs it fro 22-year-old perfectly healthy people who would rather spend that cash on iPhones and beer.

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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The fine is - what? 95 bucks? v a health insurance bill that is in many cases 50, 75, 100% higher? oh yeah - and the IRS has no way of enforcing the fine?

    color me..... jaundiced with the notion that that is going to work terribly well.
    You mean that big bad mandate that according to the Right is going to plunge us into socialism has no teeth? So they lied about it? Why is that not surprising?

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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If you don't get a tax refund, they have no way of collecting it. (And as anyone with any financial sense knows, you should never get a refund if you're doing it right.)

    This will hurt people who actually think a tax refund is a good idea. And they will be none to happy when they find out their spending more on Obamacare in the long run than what their tax refund is.

    This monster needs cash. And it needs it fro 22-year-old perfectly healthy people who would rather spend that cash on iPhones and beer.
    Perhaps you prefer the old system where $116B is spent on the uninsured, with $42.7B absorbed by insurance companies in the form of premium pass-throughs to their holders (costing your family an estimated $1,017 per year) and the other $73.3B picked up by your government, costing the average tax payer another $2,000 (at least) per year?

    Unpaid care hikes private insurance premiums by billions - amednews.com

    So, you can pay the $3,000 or your can figure out a way for the user of the service to pay this amount. The Heritage Foundation plan seems as practical as any.
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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, the #'s are people who signed up for coverage.

    IT may include Medicaid. In fact it probably does but that's not surprising. If someone is eligible for Medicaid, then it's a no-brainer for them. It's the cheapest option. If they're not eligible, then they have a decision to make. That takes time
    LOL. It takes no time to jump on a better deal, if one exists. It's become even clearer by the day, Obamadon'tcare is a bad deal. Especially, right now, for those that purchased their own plans. Next year we'll see the same type thing with employer sponsored plans. Even more employers will quit providing plans for their employees.

    This idea was a brain dead idea from the get go. People capable of thought saw through it right away.
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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    If you prefer the old system where $116B is spent on the uninsured, with $42.7B absorbed by insurance companies in the form of premium pass-throughs to their holders (costing your family an estimated $1,017 per year) and the other $73.3B picked up by your government, costing the average tax payer another $2,000 (at least) per year.

    Unpaid care hikes private insurance premiums by billions - amednews.com

    So, you can pay the $3,000 or your can figure out a way for the user of the service to pay this amount. The Heritage Foundation plan seems as practical as any.
    LOL. And you expect Obamadon'tcare to fix this? It's going to make the problem worse. Plus the numbers in that article don't account for the 2 trillion dollar ten year tab for this disaster.
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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, my guess would be that the disparity might have something to do with the Administrations' decision to count people who had created accounts, but not, you know, actually purchased insurance.

    Or (and this is likely) they may be buffering the numbers with Medicaid enrollees.
    True, but as a practical matter, something like insurance is a complicated acquisition. You are not likely to buy the insurance on your first visit. I am in the market, I am enrolled and I am weighing the option of a silver plan vs. re-upping on my Kaiser small business plan, which will renew for one year at a 15% increase. The Kaiser silver plan appears to be more than 50% less from what I had been paying. I am trying to get comfortable that it truly is less and what I might lose moving from one to the other. So, I am a legit active buyer, but have not yet bought.

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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    True, but as a practical matter, something like insurance is a complicated acquisition. You are not likely to buy the insurance on your first visit. I am in the market, I am enrolled and I am weighing the option of a silver plan vs. re-upping on my Kaiser small business plan, which will renew for one year at a 15% increase. The Kaiser silver plan appears to be more than 50% less from what I had been paying. I am trying to get comfortable that it truly is less and what I might lose moving from one to the other. So, I am a legit active buyer, but have not yet bought.
    If you are weighing purchase options, then you aren't enrolled. Even with the White House's special "enrolled" definition, you aren't enrolled.

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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    True, but as a practical matter, something like insurance is a complicated acquisition. You are not likely to buy the insurance on your first visit. I am in the market, I am enrolled and I am weighing the option of a silver plan vs. re-upping on my Kaiser small business plan, which will renew for one year at a 15% increase. The Kaiser silver plan appears to be more than 50% less from what I had been paying. I am trying to get comfortable that it truly is less and what I might lose moving from one to the other. So, I am a legit active buyer, but have not yet bought.

    Pull the trigger! I think every liberal supporter of passing this crap should be forced to get it. What the hell are you waiting for? Even your "trying to get comfortable that it truly is less and what I might lose..." shows that even you don't believe your own parties words selling you the plan....What a joke.

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    Re: State Obamacare exchanges enroll 3 pct of target so far -report

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Perhaps you prefer the old system where $116B is spent on the uninsured, with $42.7B absorbed by insurance companies in the form of premium pass-throughs to their holders (costing your family an estimated $1,017 per year) and the other $73.3B picked up by your government, costing the average tax payer another $2,000 (at least) per year?

    Unpaid care hikes private insurance premiums by billions - amednews.com

    So, you can pay the $3,000 or your can figure out a way for the user of the service to pay this amount. The Heritage Foundation plan seems as practical as any.
    You mean the old system, when my copays were $20 instead of $100, and when my deductible was $500 instead of $2,000?

    Yes, I miss that system, and I'm fortunate to be able to afford it. This is KILLING a lot of middle-class and poor Americans right now, who aren't taking their kids to the doctor because they don't have the $100.

    Not to mention, overall rates are skyrocketing, and people can't see their doctors in many cases.

    Yeah, this is just great.

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