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    Re: Venezuela to toughen price controls, set profits

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Sometimes. That's why I posted the information. That worked and at the time was probably the best solution. Authority was exerted and problem resolved. Circumstances vary. Think about how you are going to address Global Warming for your children's and grandchildren's sake. Paradoxical, don't you think?
    I will address it by explaining to them that it is nothing but a political scam being perpetrated to scare them into higher taxes and massively enormous government.

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    Re: Venezuela to toughen price controls, set profits

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hey you are the one saying they have to be "freed from socialism".. so you have to define it.
    Ok, that's rather broad, so in those terms, I guess I would say, state controlled redistribution of wealth, and abdication of property rights.
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    Re: Venezuela to toughen price controls, set profits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Corporations weren't the problem, dictators, and socialist political elite classes that siphoned profit from the oil boom off the top, and kept the middle class, and poor to benefit from the economic boom that could generate through out the economy is the problem...That they refuse to address their currency supply problem, and think that governmental micro management of private industry through nationalization, and Socialistic top down control is the way forward, but instead it is a failure!
    Not much of a difference between the power of large corporations and the dictators. And those and others are only interested in their own affairs.

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    Re: Venezuela to toughen price controls, set profits

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    Not much of a difference between the power of large corporations and the dictators. And those and others are only interested in their own affairs.
    True, that's human nature. However, corporations are made up of people, whereas socialist dictatorships work in their own self interests, population be damned....when you have a corporation, they have to satisfy the market or see their profit dry up, and they go out of business.
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    Re: Venezuela to toughen price controls, set profits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    True, that's human nature. However, corporations are made up of people, whereas socialist dictatorships work in their own self interests, population be damned....when you have a corporation, they have to satisfy the market or see their profit dry up, and they go out of business.
    I know that. I lived for 40 years under socialism. The authorities have always spoken about friendship and brotherhood between people, but the shelves of stores were empty and people were afraid to smile at each other.

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    Re: Venezuela to toughen price controls, set profits

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    I know that. I lived for 40 years under socialism. The authorities have always spoken about friendship and brotherhood between people, but the shelves of stores were empty and people were afraid to smile at each other.
    I can't imagine...I have friends here that grew up in Romania under communism of the Soviets, and often tell stories of just how that was....I just have to wonder, with great people like you here that can tell exactly the path we are on, why some here choose to not listen, and lurch toward that hell anyway.
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    Re: Venezuela to toughen price controls, set profits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I can't imagine...I have friends here that grew up in Romania under communism of the Soviets, and often tell stories of just how that was....I just have to wonder, with great people like you here that can tell exactly the path we are on, why some here choose to not listen, and lurch toward that hell anyway.
    I'm just afraid that socialism takes hold minds of the American people.
    It is so sweet nothing to think and would not respond.

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    Re: Venezuela to toughen price controls, set profits

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    I'm just afraid that socialism takes hold minds of the American people.
    It is so sweet nothing to think and would not respond.
    I hear ya....Let's hope that doesn't happen, that there are still smart people out there.
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    Re: Venezuela to toughen price controls, set profits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, that's rather broad, so in those terms, I guess I would say, state controlled redistribution of wealth, and abdication of property rights.
    Hmm well "state controlled redistribution of wealth" includes paying police and military. Way too unspecific. Does that mean that a progressive tax system is "socialist"? How about a UHC system?

    As for abdication of property rights.. yes that would be more communist than anything else, and would hinder any growth. But saying that, your "property rights" are screwed with in any type of system.. imminent domain I think it is called in the US... so claiming it is an exclusively "socialist" idea is a bit harsh to say the least.
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    Re: Venezuela to toughen price controls, set profits

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hmm well "state controlled redistribution of wealth" includes paying police and military.
    No, unless you are talking about a "Federal Policing body" like the FBI, then local police are paid through local taxation. And the Military is Constitutional...I have no problem with that.

    Does that mean that a progressive tax system is "socialist"?
    Absolutely!

    "In 1848 Marx and Engels proposed that progressive taxation be used “to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeois, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state.” Although communism has failed, the idea of progressive taxation, as a means of achieving “social justice,” remains ingrained in the modern liberal psyche."

    Ending Tax Socialism | Cato Institute

    How about a UHC system?
    Again, Hell yeah!

    Not that you will actually listen to it. But here it is, as salient today as it was then...



    As for abdication of property rights.. yes that would be more communist than anything else, and would hinder any growth. But saying that, your "property rights" are screwed with in any type of system.. imminent domain I think it is called in the US... so claiming it is an exclusively "socialist" idea is a bit harsh to say the least.
    Harsh? The notion that imminent domain was in this nation to only be used for constitutional purposes like the building of roads for example, and under, and only after "just compensation" for that property is limited in its use. The recent case of Kelo v New London broadened those powers of the government to take private property to redevelop, and increase tax revenue. This is a travesty...

    "The Supreme Court's decision in Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005) affirmed the authority of New London, Connecticut, to take non-blighted private property by eminent domain, and then transfer it for a dollar a year to a private developer solely for the purpose of increasing municipal revenues."

    Eminent domain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This is socialism.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

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