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    Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    Egypt is taking a more "independent" tack and broadening its choices, he said.

    "Independence is having choices. So the objective of this foreign policy is to provide Egypt with choices, more choices. So I'm not going to substitute. I'm going to add," he said
    Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    another stupid Obama move ; suspending some military aid ; including re-supply parts to Egypt a few weeks ago.

    There is a law the US cannot provide aid to a junta gov't; but Congress has been looking the other way. Never said a word.
    This action (suspension) was the same week there were small organized disturbances by the E. Muslim Brotherhood.

    Obama could have just left the status quo; there was no call to suspend aid - and he didn't during/ or after the overthrow of Morsi.

    Amnety International was making noises about "democracy" (a fine idea; but not at the expense of a stable, functional nation).
    IMHO Amnesty got to Obama, or one of his aids - who knows? Obama is so unengaged.

    Amazing how Obama cannot even leave well enough alone; muchless drone the heck out of the planet.

    At least he didn't invade Iraq, just escalated Afg., and led the NATO overthrow of Qaddafi to turn Libya into a 'terrorist state'

    Just another hacking down the fairway with Eqypt now; leaving an opeing for the Russian to get their Bear Claws into the ME.
    Syria was their only real area of influence, now we just opened the door to Egypt.
    How's that for "change?"
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    Re: Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    Good. Egypt needs all the help it can get. If Egypt manages to become the backwards, cult of personality, quasi-democracy like Russia - it will be an improvement.

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    Re: Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Amnety International was making noises about "democracy" (a fine idea; but not at the expense of a stable, functional nation).
    Genocidal dictatorship is neither stable nor functioning. I'm not sure what you think the purpose of government is.

    I bet you would call Saddam's Iraq stable and functioning despite genocide twice, 17 unscrs violated, the invasion of neighbors, the use of chemical weapons, crippling sanctions, institutionalized rape, a fake WMD program and the intentional starvation of 400k children.
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    Re: Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    This is just more evidence of the abject and failure of the foreign policy of this lame and directionless Community Organizer.

    He has frittered away the chance to do something with his Presidency in a time of crisis on pet projects that he feels good about.

    His inability to address what is important, like the economy and the foreign affairs issues in favor of gay rights, exacerbating racial tension, politicking and destroying healthcare is an embarrassment to him and he is utterly unaware of it.

    If FDR had ignored the World War, it would have been a similar abdication. Obama is a failed leader, failed President who has missed the chance to be a great leader in trying times.

    Our economy is circling the drain, we have receded from the role of international leadership and we will soon find out that the dollar is replaced as the currency of international trade.

    It happened to Britain when the USA ascended and it is happening to us right now. Thank you Mr. President!
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    Re: Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    That the Russians are playing a multi-polar game of power might be stupid and destructive. It is, however, a fact. That requires a much stronger foreign policy team than you need in a bi-polar game like the Cold War or in a Monopole like after the end of it.

    We do not have that and Putin is a relatively good player.

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    Re: Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That the Russians are playing a multi-polar game of power might be stupid and destructive. It is, however, a fact. That requires a much stronger foreign policy team than you need in a bi-polar game like the Cold War or in a Monopole like after the end of it.

    We do not have that and Putin is a relatively good player.
    I agree we are now competing with Russia for spheres of influence -especially the ME.
    Russia isn't going to make any headway in Europe, or the Baltic States, Poland. Ukraine (etc.)

    I doubt any invasion like Czechoslovakia in the past; but Putkin is a chess player, while Obama shows his cards
    ( to mix methaphors) that democracy is always going to be the trump card for the U.S.

    We saw it in Syria, where Kerry gave Lavrov (Russian FM) an opening, which was quickly filled.

    Not particurally concered with our expansionism, but am concerenced with at least checking Russian influence
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    Re: Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I agree we are now competing with Russia for spheres of influence -especially the ME.
    Russia isn't going to make any headway in Europe, or the Baltic States, Poland. Ukraine (etc.)

    I doubt any invasion like Czechoslovakia in the past; but Putkin is a chess player, while Obama shows his cards
    ( to mix methaphors) that democracy is always going to be the trump card for the U.S.

    We saw it in Syria, where Kerry gave Lavrov (Russian FM) an opening, which was quickly filled.

    Not particurally concered with our expansionism, but am concerenced with at least checking Russian influence
    Two short points:

    - In Europe Germany is liable coalesce with Russia to the detriment of the US and international stability and has demonstrated this on a number of occasions.

    - The US has never been politically expansionist. it has always gone for international safety and stability. That many people might feel this has not been so is understandable. If you live by selling pot you resent the cops finding your field.
    But that is only part of this point. The Russians want to play a power game in a multi-polar situation without robustly enforced rules of engagement and without reliable or even legitimate arbitration. The instability of this structure will grow as more players enter the game and grow relatively more powerful.

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    Re: Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Two short points:

    - In Europe Germany is liable coalesce with Russia to the detriment of the US and international stability and has demonstrated this on a number of occasions.

    - The US has never been politically expansionist. it has always gone for international safety and stability. That many people might feel this has not been so is understandable. If you live by selling pot you resent the cops finding your field.
    But that is only part of this point. The Russians want to play a power game in a multi-polar situation without robustly enforced rules of engagement and without reliable or even legitimate arbitration. The instability of this structure will grow as more players enter the game and grow relatively more powerful.
    It's a good point, about Russia entering the new multi-polar world (BRIC countries/China's Shanghi Co-opertaion Organization)
    without global rules. I do tend to think we are expansionists, not like Russia, but to facilitate our sphere of influence -
    but it can be argued we seek stability;no just influence.
    Small point.

    The Egyptian policy is disasterous on both fronts, as well as encouraging the Muslim Brotherhood, which is now an outlawed organization
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    Re: Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    Unfortunately, there's a price to be paid for the lack of a coherent U.S. foreign policy toward Egypt. It was in the U.S. interests to help Egypt develop a stable government. Instead, the U.S. increasingly punished Egypt even as the transitional government tried to make progress. It is only natural that Egypt is looking elsewhere and Russia was ready to try to reverse its loss of influence in Egypt following the 1973 Arab-Israeli war.

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    Re: Egypt to expand Russia cooperation after fall out with US: FM

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I can never understand the chic hawk mentality: they get upset when someone begins to cooperate outside their circle.

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