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    Re: Exclusive: Obama’s Secret Iran Détente

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
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    "We have achieved peace in our time."-Neville Chamberlain
    So you'd rather have nuclear war than a peaceful settlement?

    The Chamberlain excuse is weak if you actually understand history. However, since that doesn't play into "Obama is bad," it's not surprising that you have no concept of it. Chamberlain had the consent of the people to do what he did, the people of Britain didn't want a war at that time. Also, the forces of Britain and France weren't good enough in 1938 to stop Hitler. If they had tried then, the war would have gone much worse.


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    Re: Exclusive: Obama’s Secret Iran Détente

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    If that is what it takes to have them stop blowing up US crap, then sure.
    You think they'd stop there?
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    Re: Exclusive: Obama’s Secret Iran Détente

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Iran's stated their mission, if you think it's bluster, just talk, you're naive. Question for you, are you willing to risk a mushroom cloud over Israel for "peace"?
    Well, you're willing to risk a mushroom cloud over Israel because you don't even want to talk about peace. So I don't see the difference. If Iran's going to do it, they're going to do it. Peace or war.


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    Re: Exclusive: Obama’s Secret Iran Détente

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So you'd rather have nuclear war than a peaceful settlement?

    The Chamberlain excuse is weak if you actually understand history. However, since that doesn't play into "Obama is bad," it's not surprising that you have no concept of it. Chamberlain had the consent of the people to do what he did, the people of Britain didn't want a war at that time. Also, the forces of Britain and France weren't good enough in 1938 to stop Hitler. If they had tried then, the war would have gone much worse.
    I fully understand history, and had the UK, France and the rest of the world taken the threat seriously there might not have BEEN a war. Instead the pursuit of peace at any cost was far worse. Iran isn't interested in peace, The Mahdi is coming, and the Mahdi comes after armageddon. The Ayatollah believes he's the man to to bring about the return of the Mahdi. They don't care about material wealth or peace.
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    Re: Exclusive: Obama’s Secret Iran Détente

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, you're willing to risk a mushroom cloud over Israel because you don't even want to talk about peace. So I don't see the difference. If Iran's going to do it, they're going to do it. Peace or war.
    Iran can't if they are stopped from making the bomb, but that bomb can only be made if we let there be "peace". People like you condemn millions to death for fear of war.
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    Re: Exclusive: Obama’s Secret Iran Détente

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Iran's stated their mission, if you think it's bluster, just talk, you're naive. Question for you, are you willing to risk a mushroom cloud over Israel for "peace"?
    He gave you the answer in post #6. With that I ask you, how is it OK to "debate" with someone so hateful that they are fine with a result of a second holocaust.

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    Re: Exclusive: Obama’s Secret Iran Détente

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    He gave you the answer in post #6. With that I ask you, how is it OK to "debate" with someone so hateful that they are fine with a result of a second holocaust.
    Debate is discussing differing views on a subject in hopes not of swaying the person you debate but those observing the debate.
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    Re: Exclusive: Obama’s Secret Iran Détente

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Debate is discussing differing views on a subject in hopes not of swaying the person you debate but those observing the debate.
    Interesting POV.

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    Re: Exclusive: Obama’s Secret Iran Détente

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I fully understand history, and had the UK, France and the rest of the world taken the threat seriously there might not have BEEN a war. Instead the pursuit of peace at any cost was far worse. Iran isn't interested in peace, The Mahdi is coming, and the Mahdi comes after armageddon. The Ayatollah believes he's the man to to bring about the return of the Mahdi. They don't care about material wealth or peace.
    If you think the rest of the world was in much of a position to stop Hitler in 1938, then you really don't understand history. Heck, France wasn't even really in a position to do it 1940 either.

    Of the countries we've stopped talking to, how many of them have changed? North Korea? Cuba? It's clear that not talking is not a tenable position. Iran's new President has indicated a willingness to renew talks. What is it Reagan said - "Trust but verify?" You don't want to do either in this case.


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    Re: Exclusive: Obama’s Secret Iran Détente

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    we should stop demonizing Iran and normalize relations. That Iran made America look weak thirty years ago is hardly an excuse to perpetuate policies designed to punish them and shield Saudi Arabia for its oil when so much terrorism today against the US has strong ties to Saudi Arabia.
    yep. This right here. Saudi Arabia is the regional hegemon. It's their job to step up if stepping up becomes necessary.

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