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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

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    Police are ****ing stupid. They are drunk with their power and they don't even have college degrees.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Exposing oneself to a risk that might lead to dying is not suicide. If it were mountain climbers, skydivers and many others would be in jail.


    Half of me says that it's a judgment call and the authorities have no business making it for someone else. Nor is it their place to save someone from themselves. On the other it's hard to imagine that the father's decision here had a rational basis.
    What about mountain climbing in an area where it is prohibited because it is known to cause fatalities? I'm guessing authorities would have some authority to intervene.

    As I said before - I'm not making a judgement. This is a heartbreaking story and the stun-gun use seems to have gone from precautionary to malicious which, regrettably, is common police behavior.

    I'll bet the police will not be found at fault in any way. If I'm wrong....I'll be pleased.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
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    Not sure why it took more than a week for this to make national headlines, but this is just sad. The police absolutely should not have done this. This is disturbing to say the least.
    this is one of those cases where the cops were in a no win situation. stop the guy from going in and people complain that they didn't allow the guy the chance to save his step-son. let the guy go in and he dies and people would complain that they should have stopped him.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Wow, talk about a lose-lose decision by the cop. We say that the Step Dad will live with this, (As he surely will) but I think that the cop might have trouble sleeping as well. If I'm the cop though. I let the Dad go. I couldn't imagine losing one of my children period, and especially in such a horrifying manner.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    If I want to risk my own life to save the life of my son or stepson, that's my decision. The police overstepped here big time.
    Actually, no it's not, not once responders have taken charge of the scene. They have the authority and are legally responsible, they're on the hook for what happens, you aren't.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you would be in big trouble, likely dead if necessary but definitely going to see professional mental help and also likely facing charges if you actually harmed someone, if you did something so irrational to people trying to save your life. Whether you agree with the policies or laws or not, the police and other first responders must try to save you, even from yourself and foolish decisions.
    Like I said we disagree profoundly. There are very few things that make me very adamant and this is one. I will discuss this and my wishes with my own fire dept.and police and ascertain their positions and act accordingly.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    I see this as a no win for the cops. Save the man, people blame you. Let the man die, people blame you. They made the best possible decision by saving at least one life. He can hate them all he wants but they went with the decision that was most in line with police procedure.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually, no it's not, not once responders have taken charge of the scene. They have the authority and are legally responsible, they're on the hook for what happens, you aren't.
    in this day and age, I could easily see the family suing the police dept if they had let the guy go in and he'd died or been injured.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I think the people condemning the police here are being grossly dishonest, if only to themselves. I don't doubt for a moment that, had this been an article about the police just standing by and letting the guy run in to an inferno to his inevitable death, they would be among the masses of people calling for their heads?

    They acted on instinct to try to save someone's life, ironically the same thing the man himself thought he was doing too. Whether they did it in the right way can only be honestly assessed by someone who knows all the details of the situation at the time (which none of us do).

    The accusations of using the tazer after he was handcuffed clearly needs investigation but, without any further information, that's separate to the principle of their initial act.
    Why did, what I assume were several adults, need to use a tazer to stop him? How combative was the man? Was every effort made to save the child?
    Too many unanswered questions to judge either way.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Why did, what I assume were several adults, need to use a tazer to stop him? How combative was the man? Was every effort made to save the child?
    Too many unanswered questions to judge either way.
    The firefighters, who were onscene, determined (according to one of the reports I read) that the fire was too hot for them to go in right after they (in their protective gear) got the guy out of the way. The police tried to stop the guy from going in through other methods, but it didn't work. He made it to the door before they tazered him. It is sad, but he would have likely been another person needing to be rescued had he made it in and in all likelihood he wouldn't have saved the son. Heck, it is even possible that he wouldn't have seen his son who was in fact just 12-15 feet inside the door. But smoke in a burning house is heavy and not easy to see through. And given the unknowns of the situation, had there been a chance to save the boy at all, his trying to get inside without proper equipment could have made the firefighters' efforts to save the child harder.

    Cops Taser stepdad trying to save son from fire

    It is sad and tragic, but unfortunately it happens.
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