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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    It means "hey cops and fire are here". Listen to them, period. No deviations, no thinking on your own. Do what they say or pay a price.
    Its sort of a better price than dying trying to do something you seen in a movie . Think of it logically as you have not . How would this man save his son in a fire . Only using moral with no logic does not make a good argument . Besides you made no mention with my own moral part of the post you know how the mother would be burying her husband as well as child .
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    Its sort of a better price than dying trying to do something you seen in a movie . Think of it logically as you have not . How would this man save his son in a fire . Only using moral with no logic does not make a good argument . Besides you made no mention with my own moral part of the post you know how the mother would be burying her husband as well as child .
    Wow, so yall would just let your kids burn to death because the police and fire dept say so.
    Has nothing to do with what is seen in movies. Has to do with being a parent, you should try it.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Wow, so yall would just let your kids burn to death because the police and fire dept say so.
    Has nothing to do with what is seen in movies. Has to do with being a parent, you should try it.
    I would try to but if they restrain me I would understand towards the end when I get the reason why they did so . Common sense can elude some people when their child is at stake at a certain time but it passes and you understand why , but then again I might not if I had other loved ones who depend on me or if fireman comes and deem it too hot for even him . Another variable as well might come into play if I do actually get a chance inside the burning building after taking a few steps inside might think it would be impossible and turn back if it was still possible since inside a burning building it would be very hot and the gases would be like breathing through a tiny straw and be impossible to see except the glow of the fire . Their are several possible to this but in the end the outcomes are similar and most of them are that the child dies and only a slim chance that the father would be victorious in rescuing his child . Still only Morales how sad anything else besides them please post it .
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    I meant the devices used to cut a hole in the building that vents gas and smoke that allows them to see to a certain degree but much more allows them to see 3 feet in front of them . Heroic if it was a decent chance stupid if you are likely to die in the process as in this scenario seriously how would this man see 3 feet in front of him with poisonous fumes and lack of oxygen and not die . Life is not a movie .
    People can hold their breath for a few minutes and he knows the layout of his own house and were is kid is mostly likely to be more than any other firefighter could. If he is willing to try they have no right to stop him.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    People can hold their breath for a few minutes and he knows the layout of his own house and were is kid is mostly likely to be more than any other firefighter could. If he is willing to try they have no right to stop him.
    Yes its their job from letting panicked people from doing things they may regret doing later and have not even thought out well or even have the knowledge of how to do something . Don't forget the police are people as well and would not let a man go off to certain death , if their was a good chance to save a child's life as people its in their genetics they would try to save the child but it was not a good enough possibility for both people to live .
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    People can hold their breath for a few minutes and he knows the layout of his own house and were is kid is mostly likely to be more than any other firefighter could. If he is willing to try they have no right to stop him.
    He expected his son to be on his bed. From what I read, it sounds like the boy was found on the floor. This means that given the fact that the man couldn't have seen at all in the house (thick smoke, night time, and no lights) and he likely would have been running into the fire, literally, he would have most likely stepped on his son and might not even have realized he did. Or he could have tripped over him. Or, if the son was on the floor on the other side of the room, he could have completely missed his son. There is no way he could have legitimately looked for him in smoke and fire. IF he would have been really lucky, the kid would have been on his bed. Most likely, he wouldn't have found him because of the dark, the smoke, and the fire.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    People can hold their breath for a few minutes and he knows the layout of his own house and were is kid is mostly likely to be more than any other firefighter could. If he is willing to try they have no right to stop him.
    Hey pal, the cops were there and giving orders. Period. They show up, you obey them. Period. Note the dripping sarcasm.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    He expected his son to be on his bed. From what I read, it sounds like the boy was found on the floor. This means that given the fact that the man couldn't have seen at all in the house (thick smoke, night time, and no lights) and he likely would have been running into the fire, literally, he would have most likely stepped on his son and might not even have realized he did. Or he could have tripped over him. Or, if the son was on the floor on the other side of the room, he could have completely missed his son. There is no way he could have legitimately looked for him in smoke and fire. IF he would have been really lucky, the kid would have been on his bed. Most likely, he wouldn't have found him because of the dark, the smoke, and the fire.
    Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard. I used to find sleeping brothers on the floor all the time with foot-sonar trying to get across the room when they passed out on weekends. Its pretty obvious when you step on a human. They are squishy.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    People can hold their breath for a few minutes and he knows the layout of his own house....
    Really? So tell me, why don't firefighters bring homeowners back into the house to guide the way, when they're trying to rescue people?

    Why bother calling the fire department in the first place? Why not just have the neighbors turn on a few garden hoses? How dangerous can it be, when the entire house is engulfed in flames?

    C'mon, people. This is not a comic book or an action movie. This is basic, grade school stuff. If you are not a firefighter, don't run into a burning building.


    If he is willing to try they have no right to stop him.
    On the contrary. Not only do they have the right, they have a legal and moral obligation to do so. If they let him go, not only would they be remiss in their duties, they would be responsible for letting him die -- along with anyone else who decided to go after them.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Hey pal, the cops were there and giving orders. Period. They show up, you obey them. Period. Note the dripping sarcasm.
    Yes. The cops were there. They had full authority, and a moral obligation, to stop him from running back into the house. If they made a conscious decision to allow a hysterical man to run into a burning building, then they will be held responsible (legally and morally).

    I.e. the cops and firefighters show up, you obey them. Period. Note the total lack of sarcasm.

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