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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Sometimes you just have to try regardless... heroic actions sometimes fail but that does not mean that we don't try or die in the attempt.

    ...and what device allows fire fighters to see inside a burning building and know what is going on in there. That is news to me. Our fire brigade, of which I was a member, never had anything like that.
    For a couple of things, they at least have flashlights or better (some have thermal imagers, heck, even we had special thermal imaging devices in the Navy to see hot spots within burning buildings, which would also allow a person to see bodies that are still alive but not actually a part of the fire, and that was back over 15 years ago when I went through bootcamp). They would also have boots (vice barefeet), protective, fire resistant clothing (vice pjs), and some sort of SCBAs (not sure what civilians use). Navy uses "NIFTI" so I'm willing to bet that some civilian firefighters have something probably better.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    For a couple of things, they at least have flashlights or better (some have thermal imagers, heck, even we had special thermal imaging devices in the Navy to see hot spots within burning buildings, which would also allow a person to see bodies that are still alive but not actually a part of the fire, and that was back over 15 years ago when I went through bootcamp). They would also have boots (vice barefeet), protective, fire resistant clothing (vice pjs), and some sort of SCBAs (not sure what civilians use). Navy uses "NIFTI" so I'm willing to bet that some civilian firefighters have something probably better.

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    We had that too but it was not sensitive enough to determine a body in another room that is on fire. We had most of the other stuff...
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, I am sure thats the story. It always is. Bottom line is the home owner didnt bow down and capitulate. He forgot who was in charge at his own home.
    Are you debating or whining? You've been proven wrong on so many levels...yet I keep coming back...and here you are with more nonsense. Just announce to us that you hate the police and no matter what they do you we're going to hate them for it. It would save a lot of us time from reading your nonsense.


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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    We had that too but it was not sensitive enough to determine a body in another room that is on fire. We had most of the other stuff...
    I didn't say a body on fire (since a person on fire isn't very likely to be saved). I said a person not part of a fire, in others words not on fire, since if the fire is nearby or in the room, it isn't likely to work very well. However, if the child was in a smoke filled room, without fire in it or burning too bad, then the firefighters had a better chance of seeing and therefore saving him than the father.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I didn't say a body on fire (since a person on fire isn't very likely to be saved). I said a person not part of a fire, in others words not on fire, since if the fire is nearby or in the room, it isn't likely to work very well. However, if the child was in a smoke filled room, without fire in it or burning too bad, then the firefighters had a better chance of seeing and therefore saving him than the father.
    I didn't either though it was written messy. I said a body in another ROOM that was on fire. I was also sarcastically asking him what piece of equipment could "See inside a burning building" as he asserted. There isn't one. The thermal imaging device allows one to see through the smoke or into dark places... not through walls. We had a thermal imaging device as well as one that could detect heat through walls to find fires that were creeping through wall spaces but not visible to the eye. I got you on fire fighting equipment, for as I said I was in the fire brigade for over three years.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine View Post
    Are you debating or whining? You've been proven wrong on so many levels...yet I keep coming back...and here you are with more nonsense. Just announce to us that you hate the police and no matter what they do you we're going to hate them for it. It would save a lot of us time from reading your nonsense.
    So, you like making assumptions and being wrong all at the same time. Dont you?

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    We dont know that.
    Yes we do. If it was too hot for the Fire Fighters to go in then it was several thousand degrees hot in that house. Now combine that with the loss of oxygen because we know fire feeds on oxygen correct? There was very little oxygen concentration to breathe since it was fueling the fire. Even worse for lungs is the smoke and chemicals from the fire that would have seared the lungs and deprived the body of oxygen. What kills you in a fire is usually smoke inhalation. So there's 3 different reasons why we certainly know that the child was indeed dead.

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    So, you like making assumptions and being wrong all at the same time. Dont you?
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    Ironic you would say such a thing after this thread. I'm not even sure you realize how much a fool you've made yourself look in this thread.

    You clearly hate the cops. That's not an assumption....we can read what you type lol.

    As for me, no I don't assume, but I hate people like you without even trying.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine View Post
    Yes we do. If it was too hot for the Fire Fighters to go in then it was several thousand degrees hot in that house. Now combine that with the loss of oxygen because we know fire feeds on oxygen correct? There was very little oxygen concentration to breathe since it was fueling the fire. Even worse for lungs is the smoke and chemicals from the fire that would have seared the lungs and deprived the body of oxygen. What kills you in a fire is usually smoke inhalation. So there's 3 different reasons why we certainly know that the child was indeed dead.



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    Ironic you would say such a thing after this thread. I'm not even sure you realize how much a fool you've made yourself look in this thread.

    You clearly hate the cops. That's not an assumption....we can read what you type lol.

    As for me, no I don't assume, but I hate people like you without even trying.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I didn't either though it was written messy. I said a body in another ROOM that was on fire. I was also sarcastically asking him what piece of equipment could "See inside a burning building" as he asserted. There isn't one. The thermal imaging device allows one to see through the smoke or into dark places... not through walls. We had a thermal imaging device as well as one that could detect heat through walls to find fires that were creeping through wall spaces but not visible to the eye. I got you on fire fighting equipment, for as I said I was in the fire brigade for over three years.
    But it would still be better than what the guy had, which was nothing. In fact, just plain old flashlights and/or clothes would be better than what that guy had. He didn't even have any shoes on. He was extremely ill-equipped to go into a burning building and the odds of him actually locating his son (without stepping on him, which would definitely not have saved him) were extremely small.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Sometimes you just have to try regardless... heroic actions sometimes fail but that does not mean that we don't try or die in the attempt.

    ...and what device allows fire fighters to see inside a burning building and know what is going on in there. That is news to me. Our fire brigade, of which I was a member, never had anything like that.
    I meant the devices used to cut a hole in the building that vents gas and smoke that allows them to see to a certain degree but much more allows them to see 3 feet in front of them . Heroic if it was a decent chance stupid if you are likely to die in the process as in this scenario seriously how would this man see 3 feet in front of him with poisonous fumes and lack of oxygen and not die . Life is not a movie .
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