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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    If I want to risk my own life to save the life of my son or stepson, that's my decision. The police overstepped here big time.
    True Story. I would be very sorely tempted to.... hold that decision against that police officer.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Why should suicide be illegal? How did the officer know that he would be committing suicide? What right does the office have to prevent the man from trying to save his own step-son?

    Maybe it's the libertarian side of me posing these questions, but they are questions that deserve answers.
    OK, I have googleized and you are correct. It is not a crime.

    Still, the police may restrain you if you pose a danger to yourself and place you under observation. The police will say it was suicidal to attempt to rescue under the conditions prevailing.

    I'm just being analytical and not taking a position as to the rights and wrongs. Just the legalities.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police | Fox News



    Not sure why it took more than a week for this to make national headlines, but this is just sad.
    The police absolutely should not have done this. This is disturbing to say the least.





    I totally agree. I see no valid reason for the police to have done this.





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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I will say this again.

    There are states that are making it illegal to hire new police recruits with high IQs.

    Police are ****ing stupid.
    They are drunk with their power and they don't even have college degrees.



    Education is not the problem.

    The police officers in Portland, Oregon all have college degrees and they have done things just as over the line as this.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    The Police absolutely made the wrong call here. He may not have been able to save his sons life but he's going to have to go to his grave wondering. I wouldn't wish that on any parent.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    He might have saved the boy. We'll never know - because of the actions of the police. I buried my son 2 1/2 years ago. I'd rather die in a fire 1,000 times than bury my son once. Had I been in the position to save him, there's nothing I wouldn't have done to try. This man will live with this for the rest of his life.

    I realize this was a judgement call on behalf of the police officer, but it was the wrong call from where I sit.
    I am very sorry for your loss - a parent should never have to bury or lose a child.

    We also lost our first child.

    The cops here were absolutely wrong - never, but never, get between a parent and their child.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    I think the people condemning the police here are being grossly dishonest, if only to themselves. I don't doubt for a moment that, had this been an article about the police just standing by and letting the guy run in to an inferno to his inevitable death, they would be among the masses of people calling for their heads?

    They acted on instinct to try to save someone's life, ironically the same thing the man himself thought he was doing too. Whether they did it in the right way can only be honestly assessed by someone who knows all the details of the situation at the time (which none of us do).

    The accusations of using the tazer after he was handcuffed clearly needs investigation but, without any further information, that's separate to the principle of their initial act.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I think the people condemning the police here are being grossly dishonest, if only to themselves. I don't doubt for a moment that, had this been an article about the police just standing by and letting the guy run in to an inferno to his inevitable death, they would be among the masses of people calling for their heads?

    They acted on instinct to try to save someone's life, ironically the same thing the man himself thought he was doing too. Whether they did it in the right way can only be honestly assessed by someone who knows all the details of the situation at the time (which none of us do).

    The accusations of using the tazer after he was handcuffed clearly needs investigation but, without any further information, that's separate to the principle of their initial act.
    The fact that they used a tazer at all is outrageous and wrong. At the most they should have tackled, bear-hugged, etc the guy to prevent it but if he got away, so be it, the police tried and he may have been able to save the boy.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Isn't suicide illegal? So weren't the police preventing a crime?

    Not that I'm please about this but I think that will be the defense.
    Exposing oneself to a risk that might lead to dying is not suicide. If it were mountain climbers, skydivers and many others would be in jail.


    Half of me says that it's a judgment call and the authorities have no business making it for someone else. Nor is it their place to save someone from themselves. On the other it's hard to imagine that the father's decision here had a rational basis.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    I am not going to second guess the event, I wasn't there.

    And I say this with great compassion for the father, and toward Red, to whom I express my condolences.

    It is a truly sad story. No parent should have to bury their child.
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