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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In fact, the only actions I see as wrong in this situation is the family not waiting and letting their grief die before acting out on this supposed injustice they believe happened.
    They should have waited for their grief to die?

    There's no time table for grief. Grief doesn't ever completely die.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

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    They should have waited for their grief to die?

    There's no time table for grief. Grief doesn't ever completely die.
    True - but your ability to control your emotions and the rawness of your grief does.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    The cops were very much in the wrong, as a father (or anyone for that matter) it should be his business and his choice to risk his life to save someone else's. This should be respected as a sacred human right on par with the right to self defense. Stun gunning someone who is trying to save their child, even if it's likely that both will die, is a massive overstepping of boundaries on the behalf of the police.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The cops were very much in the wrong, as a father (or anyone for that matter) it should be his business and his choice to risk his life to save someone else's. This should be respected as a sacred human right on par with the right to self defense. Stun gunning someone who is trying to save their child, even if it's likely that both will die, is a massive overstepping of boundaries on the behalf of the police.
    Exactly. If I am willing to trade my life for the life of my child that is my choice.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    I'm going to get an infraction for this, but it will be well deserved. I only save my infractions for the truly ignorant assholes of the board and you have shown yourself to a shining example of one in this thread.

    roguenuke, you are a ****ing idiot. Running into a burning building (which in this particular case is the man's own house) to save his step-son that he dearly loves "absolutely could" (your words) make the situation worse and that's justification for handcuffing and tasing the guy? The reports show that the boy may have been saved. Whether the FD wanted to go in or not is not the situation here. If they weren't going to go in to save the boy, why would they go in to save the man, which is the basis for your stupidity. The point I and several others have been trying to make is that the man had the RIGHT to enter his OWN ****ing house to attempt to save HIS OWN step-son. HIS house is on fire and HIS step-son's life is in the balance. If the FD isn't going to risk their life to save the boy, why shouldn't the man be able to?

    Now you can spin your little moral superiority bull**** that you've been spinning all through this thread but guess what, it doesn't hold any weight with me and others. That boy died and it's a tragedy. That man will now live the rest of his life knowing that the boy could have been saved had the PD not handcuffed and tased him - 3 ****ing times! Yes, he couldn't get to the boy from where he was in the house when the fire started, but that doesn't mean he couldn't get to him from the other side of the house. The police have no right to "save us from ourselves". If the guy had a gun and was a threat to others they would absolutely have that right, but he was not a danger to others, only to himself and only to save his own step-son.

    You have no "moral authority" over me or anyone else in this thread. And judging by your own words in this very thread, I'm going to go out on a very big limb and say that you don't have any kids and you've never loved someone so much that you would do anything, and I mean ANYTHING, to protect and save them, even if it means giving up your life in an attempt to do so. You call it an "emotional state", the rest of the world calls in unconditional love. To risk your life to save that of someone you love is noble, a sign of love, not an "emotional state". Why you can't get that only leads to one conclusion - you have no idea what love really is.

    So instead of telling us all how wrong we are, how wrong the father was and how right the PD were, we don't really give a **** what you think because you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.



    Stop being an asshole apdst. Not everything is a liberal-conservative thing and even bringing this up in this thread is a dirtbag move. This story has nothing to do with politics, not even remotely, and yet here you are being a douchebag because you are too stupid to know better. STOP being a douchebag for crying out loud! There's a time to attack the "evil libbos" and there's a time to leave it out of the conversation. This thread is a perfect example of when to leave it out of the conversation. Maybe you're too stupid to know better or maybe you have no impulse control or maybe a little bit of both, but it's getting tiring and old. You are a partisan hack and you are just as bad if not worse than some of the liberal partisan hacks we have here at DP. You brought up the "libbos" more than 100 posts after the OP when no one mentioned politics in the slightest. This story is not a political story, it's a tragedy that has absolutely nothing to do with politics. I'm so sick of you doing this constantly, it only makes you look pathetic.

    I'm reporting myself for this post and I accept the points I will receive. When I see the utter stupidity that I've seen from a poster (or two), I can only take so much. What I said needed to be said and it's done.
    This isn't the kind of subject for which you quote and then put up the little "applause" emoticons. But I cannot put into words how strongly I find myself in agreement with you. I hesitate to say that any father worth his salt would do the same, as I don't want to start a fight critiquing people's most intense and personal and stressful life-for-life decisions, but any parent worth their salt would know exactly what you are talking about.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Isn't suicide illegal? So weren't the police preventing a crime?

    Not that I'm please about this but I think that will be the defense.
    depends on the state,i know in new york state suicide is punishible by death
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    It says in the article that the fire was too dangerous for the stepfather to try to rescue his son, and that the police tried to save him from himself.
    Sad, though I have to think that the police made the correct judgment. Though one has to wonder about using the stun guns twice after the father has been handcuffed.
    The same cop haters here would be yelling at the top of their lungs if the cops let the man run into the burning building and kill him self. At some point you just have to realize who your dealing with. After that, it all becomes clear that no matter what the cops do, they are wrong.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The cops were very much in the wrong, as a father (or anyone for that matter) it should be his business and his choice to risk his life to save someone else's. This should be respected as a sacred human right on par with the right to self defense. Stun gunning someone who is trying to save their child, even if it's likely that both will die, is a massive overstepping of boundaries on the behalf of the police.
    That is alot of Monday Morning Quarterbacking in saying the "cops were very much in the wrong". This is a no win situation. I wasn't there and neither were you. Have no idea just how much of an inferno the fire was at that point. But if the fireman with their own air support and protective equipment on are unable to enter I don't think a regular person with every day clothing is going to be able to rush into the fire and find the child and return.

    But wanting to commit suicide seeing your child die is understandable. Sometime the pain is just too much to bear. On the other hand if you are a policeman do you try to prevent other hysterical family members from rushing in too? Do you also let an older sibling try to rush in to save his younger brother?

    It is a tough job being a cop or fireman. Those are tough calls. But again, if the firemen and police are there then this fire has been going for some time. I do not know all the logistics of this event but I would think the father would have already made an attempt to save the child long before that firetruck pulled up to the house.

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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The cops were very much in the wrong, as a father (or anyone for that matter) it should be his business and his choice to risk his life to save someone else's. This should be respected as a sacred human right on par with the right to self defense. Stun gunning someone who is trying to save their child, even if it's likely that both will die, is a massive overstepping of boundaries on the behalf of the police.
    Damn right! Had that been the COP'S kid, he would expected everyone to go in with him.
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    Re: Missouri man trying to save stepson from fire hit with stun gun by police

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    They should have waited for their grief to die?

    There's no time table for grief. Grief doesn't ever completely die.
    Grief doesn't go away, but it does die down. It gets to a point where you can continue your life without those emotions from the loss being right there on the surface. It is called the stages of grief.

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