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America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

JumpinJack said:
Get over it. It was decades ago, by a young person who has since said she made a bad mistake. Let whosoever has not sinned, cast the first stone.

If only everyone would recognize their mistakes they made when they were young and stupid, the world would be a better place.
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Being young is no excuse......Because of her words and actions many brave servicemen were viciously tortured and died......We will never forget my left wing friend.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Get over it. It was decades ago, by a young person who has since said she made a bad mistake. Let whosoever has not sinned, cast the first stone.

If only everyone would recognize their mistakes they made when they were young and stupid, the world would be a better place.
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She was in her 30s!
 
JumpinJack said:
Get over it. It was decades ago, by a young person who has since said she made a bad mistake. Let whosoever has not sinned, cast the first stone.

If only everyone would recognize their mistakes they made when they were young and stupid, the world would be a better place.
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A youthful mistake is one thing. Providing aid and comfort to the enemy is another.:peace
 
Navy Pride said:
Being young is no excuse......Because of her words and actions many brave servicemen were viciously tortured and died......We will never forget my left wing friend.
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The left will forgive any leftist, no matter what their crime, but will be critical of Joe McCarthy for exposing spies in the US government forever.
 
"Another infamous deed of Fonda is the naming of her son, Troy. Fonda returned to Vietnam shortly after the war ended in 1975, with her small son, to attend a special service being held in her honor. Fonda was still a recognized idol and hero to the Communist regime from her earlier years of sending money, food and moral support to the North Vietnamese.

But the ceremony, it turned out, was not just to recognize and honor Fonda for her love of the Communists. Her newborn son was formally christened and named for the Communist hero Nguyen Van Troi. Troi was a Viet Cong sapper who was executed by the South Vietnamese in 1963 for attempting to assassinate U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara"
Hanoi Jane

She was/is ate up with communists. Hopefully her spot in hell is right next to Stalin.
 
Cuba, Viet Nam, Somalia, Philippines, Yemen, Nicaragua, El Salvador, after we invaded: Iraq and Afghanistan

Grant said:
Civil wars?? Maybe you need do more research.
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They were wars between two or more factions within a nation, not invasions from outsiders (until the USA got involved). Some support for one side and/or the other from outsiders (such as support from other nations for the Union during the USA's civil war) does not change the fact that they were civil wars.

civil war
noun: a war between groups of people in the same country
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Hard Truth said:
Cuba, Viet Nam, Somalia, Philippines, Yemen, Nicaragua, El Salvador, after we invaded: Iraq and Afghanistan



They were wars between two or more factions within a nation, not invasions from outsiders (until the USA got involved). Some support for one side and/or the other from outsiders (such as support from other nations for the Union during the USA's civil war) does not change the fact that they were civil wars.

civil war
noun: a war between groups of people in the same country
Websters
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Which other nations supported the Union during the US Civil War.?:peace
 
Hard Truth said:
Cuba, Viet Nam, Somalia, Philippines, Yemen, Nicaragua, El Salvador, after we invaded: Iraq and Afghanistan
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Many of those countries you mentioned were a part of the Cold War and what you seem to think was a 'civil war' usually involved help from the USSR. Don't continue to believe the old leftist communist propaganda prior to 1989. Instead read The Black Book of Communism for a genuine history lesson, or the Venona Papers. The Communists excelled only at propaganda.

Iraq and Afghanistan are involved in a civil war? Between who and whom?



They were wars between two or more factions within a nation, not invasions from outsiders (until the USA got involved). Some support for one side and/or the other from outsiders (such as support from other nations for the Union during the USA's civil war) does not change the fact that they were civil wars.
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Leftists continue to believe the old anti American propaganda without any perspective or understanding of whats genuinely going on in the world. These are the sort of people who would vote for a Barrack Obama.
 
Grant said:
Leftists continue to believe the old anti American propaganda without any perspective or understanding of whats genuinely going on in the world. These are the sort of people who would vote for a Barrack Obama.
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Ah, the old "anyone who would vote for Obama doesn't understand anything." Typical conservative arrogance.
 
Kobie said:
Ah, the old "anyone who would vote for Obama doesn't understand anything." Typical conservative arrogance.
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Yes, it can be interpreted that way for sure, but it is also a fact. Liberals voted for Barrack Obama twice! while conservatives were warning what would happen.

I can understand, without any sympathy whatsoever, why you would be sensitive.
 
Grant said:
Yes, it can be interpreted that way for sure, but it is also a fact. Liberals voted for Barrack Obama twice! while conservatives were warning what would happen.

I can understand, without any sympathy whatsoever, why you would be sensitive.
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Not sensitive, just pointing out that your alleged "independent" status is a bad joke.
 
Kobie said:
Not sensitive, just pointing out that your alleged "independent" status is a bad joke.
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I am an independent. Leftists only understand 'right wing' or 'liberal, forgetting completely about he middle. Just because I believe leftists are fools doesn't mean I am not independent.
 
Grant said:
I am an independent. Leftists only understand 'right wing' or 'liberal, forgetting completely about he middle. Just because I believe leftists are fools doesn't mean I am not independent.
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All I can think of is the song Stuck in the Middle with You. Yes, we've been completely forgotten about by both of the monopoly parties who seem to trade power from one to another yet nothing ever really changes.
 
Count me among those who see a great change coming as the federal government takes control of healthcare.
 
nota bene said:
Count me among those who see a great change coming as the federal government takes control of healthcare.
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Yes, it's going to be a red tape nightmare.
 
Grant said:
Many of those countries you mentioned were a part of the Cold War and what you seem to think was a 'civil war' usually involved help from the USSR. Don't continue to believe the old leftist communist propaganda prior to 1989. Instead read The Black Book of Communism for a genuine history lesson, or the Venona Papers. The Communists excelled only at propaganda.

Iraq and Afghanistan are involved in a civil war? Between who and whom?



Leftists continue to believe the old anti American propaganda without any perspective or understanding of whats genuinely going on in the world. These are the sort of people who would vote for a Barrack Obama.
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Although many of those conflicts has communist support for one side, we were not shooting at Russian or Chinese troops. That is why they need to be considered civil wars, they were not invasions.

Yes, we got into those wars largely because of the cold war, but it was arrogant and wrong of the USA (and right wingers now] to see all internal conflicts in other nations as proxies for the cold war. The USA would support imperialistic domination and brutal and corrupt dictatorships solely because they were not communist. When the people of these countries resisted those oppresive regimes the west would defend the dictators and the only support the resistance could get from outside was from communist nations.

At the heart of this tendency was the notion that these nations "belonged" to their western colonizers and the business interests that dominated them (ever hear the term "banana republic?"] and/or the people were not capable of self rule. Our paranoia and arrogance often created the communist affiliations that we feared so much.

Now we are repeating those same mistakes with the "war on terror." Seeing the world as a black and white conflict between commies and capitalists or between Muslim extremists and the west is over simplistic, arrogant, inaccurate and dangerous.

Both and Iraq and Afghanistan are in turmoil because there are several factions fighting each other and the central government.
 
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Hard Truth said:
Although many of those conflicts has communist support for one side, we were not shooting at Russian or Chinese troops. That is why they need to be considered civil wars, they were not invasions.
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When did the USA invade Nicaragua? When was war declared? What they did was help the Contras (the anti Communists) just as the Russian Communists were helping the Communists in Nicaragua. Luckily for the people the good guys won, and the Nicaraguan people are grateful for that.

Yes, we got into those wars largely because of the cold war, but it was arrogant and wrong of the USA (and right wingers now] to see all internal conflicts in other nations as proxies for the cold war. The USA would support imperialistic domination and brutal and corrupt dictatorships solely because they were not communist. When the people of these countries resisted those oppresive regimes the west would defend the dictators and the only support the resistance could get from outside was from communist nations.
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Maybe you dont understand the evil f Communism. If being anti Communism is 'right wing' (although any decent person would find it abhorrent) then I would proudly be right wing.

At the heart of this tendency was the notion that these nations "belonged" to their western colonizers and the business interests that dominated them (ever hear the term "banana republic?"] and/or the people were not capable of self rule. Our paranoia and arrogance often created the communist affiliations that we feared so much.
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This is obviously untrue because that feeling would still be around if that were the case. The US, and other democracies, have often helped nations under seige by an 'ism' and never thought for a moment that they 'belonged' to them. You're just repeating 1970's propaganda here, and should know better.

Now we are repeating those same mistakes with the "war on terror." Seeing the world as a black and white conflict between commies and capitalists or between Muslim extremists and the west is over simplistic, arrogant, inaccurate and dangerous.
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It was never a war between 'commies and capitalists'; it was a war between totalitarianism and freedom.
Both and Iraq and Afghanistan are in turmoil because there are several factions fighting each other and the central government.
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Yes, it's all Islamic factions fighting and murdering each other, just as they did, and are doing, in Iraq and elsewhere.
 
Grant said:
Luckily for the people the good guys won, and the Nicaraguan people are grateful for that.....It was never a war between 'commies and capitalists'; it was a war between totalitarianism and freedom....it's all Islamic factions fighting and murdering each other, just as they did, and are doing, in Iraq and elsewhere.
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The USA funded (mostly illegally] Contra-suported Dictator Somoza and his cohorts were removed from power and resistance leader Daniel Ortega was legitimately elected president more than once.

You don't win a war against totalitarianism by supporting totalitarian dictatorships. It was a war against communists, not for freedom.

Since both Iraq and Afghanistan are now almost completely Muslim, any factional fighting would have to be between Islamic factions.
 
Hard Truth said:
The USA funded (mostly illegally] Contra-suported Dictator Somoza and his cohorts were removed from power and resistance leader Daniel Ortega was legitimately elected president more than once.

You don't win a war against totalitarianism by supporting totalitarian dictatorships. It was a war against communists, not for freedom.

Since both Iraq and Afghanistan are now almost completely Muslim, any factional fighting would have to be between Islamic factions.
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Ahem. The Contras did not come into being until after Somoza's death. In the first free election after the Nicaraguan Civil War Ortega lost.:peace
 
Kobie said:
Ah, the old "anyone who would vote for Obama doesn't understand anything." Typical conservative arrogance.
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Lincoln understood the difficulty that BHO now faces.

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

Abraham Lincoln

:peace
 
Hard Truth said:
The USA funded (mostly illegally] Contra-suported Dictator Somoza and his cohorts were removed from power and resistance leader Daniel Ortega was legitimately elected president more than once.
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I understand you know little about this period, and thats okay, but you think you do and are attempting to debate something you obviously know little about. I have lived in Central America off and on for 20 years, have spent a lot of time in Nicaragua, have many Nicaraguan friends and have had several Nicaraguan employees. You are getting your information from some place that is still regurgitating old left wing propaganda.

Yes, Ortega has been elected President and, surprisingly, is doing not a bad job now. The funny thing is that instead of always blaming the Americans for all the country's problems, which you do also of course, he is now blaming the EU.
 
Jack Hays said:
Ahem. The Contras did not come into being until after Somoza's death. In the first free election after the Nicaraguan Civil War Ortega lost.:peace
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Yes, he lost a couple of times and finally won. He appealed to the poorly educated, designed enemies, and promised free stuff.

My housekeeper wept when she heard the news of his election but she now says he's not doing as bad a job as she expected. Others say the same. That only means he is not now as corrupt as he was. Ortega does control any opposition however and will ignore the Constitution when it suits him.
 
Jack Hays said:
Lincoln understood the difficulty that BHO now faces.

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

Abraham Lincoln

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Obama is doing a pretty good job of fooling some of the people all of the time, and that's often all you need.
 
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