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America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

I was in Country as well. I hated Hanoi Jane for a few years until I found out what the war was about and then my hatred moved to the politics that sent us over there. At least she tried to stop the war, better than most and infinitely better than scumbag Nugent. Her heart was in the right place but her mind was not yet mature. She has been consistent throughout her very public life and supported some very good causes. I forgive her for youthful indiscretion.


Thank you for your service......I was a squid (sailor) stationed in a safe place and we was sickened by the way the left turned on us. We knew we could win but the suits would not let us........Believe you me the spitting and burning our troops in effigy were not isolated incidents....we need support by you and the people of your ilk and did not get it..........I will close this out by repeating "Hanoi Jane" was a traitor.....she was a grown woman nd knew exactly what she was doing........Whether the war was right or wrong had very little to do with her......I will hate her until the day I die....That will never change.
 
Posing for a picture doesn't help them shoot down any planes.

That is how I feel, how most vets feel. Walk into any VFW and you will find their views are pretty much like mine. She was doing this while her friends the NVA were trying to kill us. I guess perhaps it is something one would have to experience. It was much more than posing for a picture. But I do not expect you to understand and I suppose it is best to let it be at that.

She can be your hero, not mine.
 
She's said she regrets it.
Just like those soldiers said she never ratted them out about a note.

Just like the Green River killer who murdered over 40 women.....The only difference is we don't know how many "Hanoi Jane" killed.
 
The people most responsible for unnecessary deaths in Viet Nam is Richard Nixon. Nixon may have sabotaged the 1968 Paris Peace talks to help Nixon win the election that year. After Nixon was elected they kept the war going as long as they could manage before they saw that nearly the whole country wanted us out of Viet Nam. Nothing was gained by allowing the war go on for so long.

"...The most arresting chapter gives us conclusive reason to believe that Nixon and his associates -- especially Attorney General John Mitchell and Vice President Spiro Agnew -- consciously sabotaged the Vietnam peace negotiations in Paris in the fall of 1968. Elements of this story have surfaced before, in books by, among others, Clark Clifford and Richard Holbrooke, Seymour Hersh and William Bundy. But this is the most convincing account to have appeared so far, relying as it does on wiretaps released to Summers by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Many senior Democrats knew this ghastly secret but kept it to themselves, if only because L.B.J. had lawfully if shamefacedly bugged Nixon and and his co-conspirators, as well as the South Vietnamese Embassy. (The FBI intercept cables are reproduced here.)

Using a series of extremist and shady intermediaries, the Nixon campaign covertly assured the South Vietnamese generals that if they boycotted President Lyndon B. Johnson's dearly bought conference (which they ultimately did on the very eve of the election) they would get a more sympathetic administration. Irony is too feeble a word for what they actually got: a losing war, protracted for four years and concluded -- with much additional humiliation -- on the same terms that Johnson and Hubert Humphrey had been offering in 1968. Summers has spoken to all the surviving participants, including the dramatic go-between figure of Anna Chennault, who now regards even herself as one of those betrayed by this foul deal. Almost half the names on that wall in Washington are inscribed with a date after Nixon and Kissinger took office. We still cringe from counting the number of Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians. Nixon's illegal and surreptitious conduct not only prolonged an awful war but also corrupted and subverted a crucial presidential election: the combination must make it the most wicked action in American history. "
Let Me Say This About That a review of THE ARROGANCE OF POWER The Secret World of Richard Nixon By Anthony Summers with Robbyn Swan.
 
That is how I feel, how most vets feel. Walk into any VFW and you will find their views are pretty much like mine. She was doing this while her friends the NVA were trying to kill us. I guess perhaps it is something one would have to experience. It was much more than posing for a picture. But I do not expect you to understand and I suppose it is best to let it be at that.

She can be your hero, not mine.

I will add the Fleet Reserve Association to.
 
She did much more then that my left wing friend.

Toured Hanoi and sat on a AA seat. Wow! The travesty! Dont see you screaming about Reagan giving Iran some sweet gunnzzzzz then using that money to give fascists in Nicaragua the money..
 
Toured Hanoi and sat on a AA seat. Wow! The travesty! Dont see you screaming about Reagan giving Iran some sweet gunnzzzzz then using that money to give fascists in Nicaragua the money..

She provided aid and comfort to the enemy. That's treason.
 
She provided aid and comfort to the enemy. That's treason.

Nope no she didnt. Toured Hanoi. She sat on an AA gun. She visited a POW camp and returned letters. None of which are providing aid or comfort to the enemy.
 
Toured Hanoi and sat on a AA seat. Wow! The travesty! Dont see you screaming about Reagan giving Iran some sweet gunnzzzzz then using that money to give fascists in Nicaragua the money..

The photos were used as propaganda. The fact that she willingly participated makes her action treasonous. It's the law of the land. I thought Libbos were real supporters of that.
 
The photos were used as propaganda. The fact that she willingly participated makes her action treasonous. It's the law of the land. I thought Libbos were real supporters of that.
She sat in a seat. Oh my god! And someone snapped a photo! Thats not treason. You would have to prove that she knew that those images were gonna be used as propaganda. And if that i dont even know if that would be considered treason.
Literally have no case or proof that she was "aiding and comforting the enemy".
 
She sat in a seat. Oh my god! And someone snapped a photo! Thats not treason. You would have to prove that she knew that those images were gonna be used as propaganda. And if that i dont even know if that would be considered treason.
Literally have no case or proof that she was "aiding and comforting the enemy".

She didn't know those images would be used as propaganda?...lol!

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
 
She didn't know those images would be used as propaganda?...lol!

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Alrighty. So yet you have no proof. If she was treasonous.. Simple, she would been tried for treason!
 
She didn't know those images would be used as propaganda?...lol!

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

She is a traitor to her country.........She is right up there with Benedict Arnold........How anyone could say anything different is outrageous.
 
She should have been put in the same boat as Tokyo Rose.
 
Just like the Green River killer who murdered over 40 women.....The only difference is we don't know how many "Hanoi Jane" killed.

Zero. She killed zero people.
 
Zero. She killed zero people.

She may have not personally killed anyone but her words and actions cause GIs to die....Why do you take her word and not the word of the MOH and other highly decorated GIs. They were there not you. I doubt you ever served your country.
 
She may have not personally killed anyone but her words and actions cause GIs to die....Why do you take her word and not the word of the MOH and other highly decorated GIs. They were there not you. I doubt you ever served your country.

Please tell me "how her words caused GI's to die"?
 
She may have not personally killed anyone but her words and actions cause GIs to die....Why do you take her word and not the word of the MOH and other highly decorated GIs. They were there not you. I doubt you ever served your country.

The Hanoi Jane garbage was debunked years ago.
Save your indignation for something based on fact, not incorrect rumors.
Is she a moron? Yup. Is she a traitor? Nope.

Despite the claims of hundreds of Vietnam veterans who maintain they were "there" and affirm that accounts like the "smuggled Social Security number betrayal" are true because they supposedly witnessed them, the fact is that Fonda met only seven American POWs while in North Vietnam: Edison Miller, Walter Wilber, James Padgett, David Wesley Hoffman, Kenneth James Fraser, William G. Byrns, and Edward Elias. None of those men reported her sabotaging their attempts to slip her information about themselves, and anyone other than those seven men who asserts he was "there" and witnessed such a scene is simply not telling the truth.

Some of the POWs who actually did meet with Jane Fonda, such as Edison Miller, have spoken out on the record over the years to disclaim the apocryphal stories about her
"The whole [e-mail] story about Jane Fonda is just malarkey," said Edison Miller, 73, of California, a former Marine Corps pilot held more than five years. Miller was among seven POWs who met with Fonda in Hanoi. He said he didn't recall her asking any questions other than about their names, if that. He said that he passed her no piece of paper, and that to his knowledge, no other POW in the group did, despite the e-mail's claims.
Col. Larry Carrigan, the U.S. serviceman whose name is invoked in the e-mailed reproduced at the head of this article, has affirmed that he neither claimed nor experienced any of what has been attributed to him, and that he never even met Jane Fonda:
"It's a figment of somebody's imagination." said Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him, saying, "I never met Jane Fonda." In 2005, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported that Carrigan "is so tired of having to repeat that he wasn't beaten after Fonda's visit and that there were no beating deaths at that time that he won't talk to the media anymore."
The tale about a defiant serviceman who spit at Jane Fonda and was severely beaten as a result is often attributed to Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll. He has also repeatedly stated on the record that it did not originate with him:
Driscoll said he never met Fonda, as the e-mail claims — and therefore, never spit on her and didn't suffer permanent double vision from a subsequent beating. "Totally false. It did not happen," Driscoll said.

"I don't know who came up with [my] name. The trouble that individual has caused me!" he said, referring to the time he has spent repeatedly denying the persistent myth.
Mike McGrath, President of NAM-POWs, has also stepped forward to disclaim the Internet-circulated rumors about Jane Fonda and American POWs:
Please excuse the generic response, but I have been swamped with so many e-mails on the subject of the Jane Fonda article (Carrigan, Driscoll, strips of paper, torture and deaths of POWs, etc.) that I have to resort to this pre-scripted rebuttal. The truth is that most of this never happened. This is a hoax story placed on the internet by unknown Fonda haters. No one knows who initiated the story. Please assist by not propagating the story. Fonda did enough bad things to assure her a correct place in the garbage dumps of history. We don't want to be party to false stories, which could be used as an excuse that her real actions didn't really happen either. I have spoken with all the parties named: Carrigan, Driscoll, et al. They all state that this particular internet story is a hoax and they wish to disassociate their names from the false story.

Read more at snopes.com: Jane Fonda and American POWs in North Vietnam
 
Please tell me "how her words caused GI's to die"?

It has been posted a dozen times in this thread.....do you even read the other post or just throw **** up against the all and hope something stick.........Its called giving aid and comfort to the enemy and that is a treasonous action.
 
It has been posted a dozen times in this thread.....do you even read the other post or just throw **** up against the all and hope something stick.........Its called giving aid and comfort to the enemy and that is a treasonous action.

Can you prove she did that? Making a bunch of accusations...
 
It has been posted a dozen times in this thread.....do you even read the other post or just throw **** up against the all and hope something stick.........Its called giving aid and comfort to the enemy and that is a treasonous action.

I would let it rest guy. There are people who will never understand how one can be serving our country in Vietnam and look across the DMZ to Hanoi and see this gal sitting at on that anti aircraft gun with her pith helmet on aiming that gun skyward toward her own countries plane and her fellow Americans who flew them. She is a hero to them. Yes, in my book it was aiding and abetting the enemy. But there are somethings others will never understand with having been there and experienced it.

I look at it this way, what I did in Vietnam and Laos, I hope made it possible for those who hold her in high esteem and put us who served in Vietnam and the surrounding counties down to continue with their free speech and to continue to enjoy their freedom. There is a time one must just let it go. I use to hate her with a passion, I don't anymore, hate accomplishes nothing. But I haven't forgot or forgiven. Neither have most other Vietnam Vets. My advice, just let this threat pass into oblivion.

Welcome home.
 
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