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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Can you prove she did that? Making a bunch of accusations...
    I saw her picture on the gun mount, I heard the testimony of many POWS in the Hanoi Hilton........That is good enough for me ........Its been 40 years my left wing friend and we who served in Nam at the time know the truth..........I wish I could be the one to pull the switch and end her miserable life.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I would let it rest guy. There are people who will never understand how one can be serving our country in Vietnam and look across the DMZ to Hanoi and see this gal sitting at on that anti aircraft gun with her pith helmet on aiming that gun skyward toward her own countries plane and her fellow Americans who flew them. She is a hero to them. Yes, in my book it was aiding and abetting the enemy. But there are somethings others will never understand with having been there and experienced it.

    I look at it this way, what I did in Vietnam and Laos, I hope made it possible for those who hold her in high esteem and put us who served in Vietnam and the surrounding counties down to continue with their free speech and to continue to enjoy their freedom. There is a time one must just let it go. I use to hate her with a passion, I don't anymore, hate accomplishes nothing. But I haven't forgot or forgiven. Neither have most other Vietnam Vets. My advice, just let this threat pass into oblivion.

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I would let it rest guy. There are people who will never understand how one can be serving our country in Vietnam and look across the DMZ to Hanoi and see this gal sitting at on that anti aircraft gun with her pith helmet on aiming that gun skyward toward her own countries plane and her fellow Americans who flew them.
    I couldn't find that picture online. Do you know where I could see it?

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    She should have been put in the same boat as Tokyo Rose.
    What's wrong with Tokyo Rose?
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You mean the thing about ratting out a prisoner trying to get a message out to his wife or something? No, that was made up.
    Thats just one thing Hanoi Jane did while aiding and comforting the enemy.

    On November 21, 1970 she told a University of Michigan audience of some two thousand students, "If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist." At Duke University in North Carolina she repeated what she had said in Michigan, adding "I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism. " Washington Times July 7, 2000

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I couldn't find that picture online. Do you know where I could see it?
    here you go:

    https://www.google.com/#q=hanoi+jane+gun+mount+picture
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Thats just one thing Hanoi Jane did while aiding and comforting the enemy.

    On November 21, 1970 she told a University of Michigan audience of some two thousand students, "If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist." At Duke University in North Carolina she repeated what she had said in Michigan, adding "I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism. " Washington Times July 7, 2000
    I wonder what legal examples of "giving comfort and aid to the enemy" are, and whether Jane Fonda's actions are legally applicable.

    Speaking in favor of communism isn't a crime.

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I saw her picture on the gun mount,
    Sitting on a gun mount endangered people? I thought guns dont kill people...

    I heard the testimony of many POWS in the Hanoi Hilton........
    Veterans had a hearing and testified against her? What hearing was this?


    Its been 40 years my left wing friend and we who served in Nam at the time know the truth...
    You know the truth? How so? Just cuz you served in a war and she was in Hanoi?

    .......I wish I could be the one to pull the switch and end her miserable life.
    Thats pretty pathetic.


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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Perotista claimed that the picture showed Jane Fonda sitting at the anti aircraft gun, aiming it and pointing at overhead US planes. The picture shows her sitting on the seat only, and none of anything else he claimed.

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I wonder what legal examples of "giving comfort and aid to the enemy" are, and whether Jane Fonda's actions are legally applicable.

    Speaking in favor of communism isn't a crime.
    Back then, communist in America and the "New Left" advocated the violent overthrow of the U.S. government.

    They gave up during the mid 70's and decided to overthrow the government from with in by hiding behind labels like liberal or progressive and getting elected to public office.

    Re: Hanoi Jane

    Visited Hanoi during the Vietnam War, at which time she accused American soldiers of acting as “war criminals” (That aiding and comforting the enemy)
    “If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist. . . . I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism.”
    Married Tom Hayden one of the leaders of the SDS aka New Left.
    Co-founded (with Tom Hayden) the Indochina Peace Campaign, which worked tirelessly to cut American aid to the governments in Saigon and Phnom Penh and help the North Vietnamese Communists and the Cambodian Khmer Rouge overthrow them.

    >" In July-August 1972 Fonda made her infamous trip to North Vietnam. By this time, over 50,000 Americans had been killed in the war. While there, she posed for pictures on an anti-aircraft gun that had been used to shoot down American planes, and she volunteered to do a radio broadcast from Hanoi. She made approximately eight radio addresses, during which she told American pilots in the area:

    “Use of these bombs or condoning the use of these bombs makes one a war criminal … Examine the reasons given to justify the murder you are being paid to commit … I don’t know what your officers tell you ... but [your] weapons are illegal and that’s not just rhetoric ... The men who are ordering you to use these weapons are war criminals according to international law, and in the past, in Germany and Japan, men who committed these kinds of crimes were tried and executed.”

    Fonda also quoted Ho Chi Minh during some of these broadcasts. She referred to President Richard Nixon as a “new-type Hitler,” and advised South Vietnamese soldiers to desert: “You are being used as cannon fodder for U.S. imperialism.”

    These radio addresses were aired repeatedly by the North Vietnamese Communists, for whom propaganda was a key tool of psychological warfare; they used the broacasts not only to hearten their own citizens, but also to undermine the American public's will to go forward with the war, and to crush the morale of U.S. and allied forces..."<


    Another excerpt:

    >" Such statements could have had only one purpose: to provide aid and comfort to America's Communist enemy. Fonda's propaganda efforts played a major role in prolonging the war and increasing the death toll. As North Vietnamese Colonel Bui Tin explained in a postwar interview with The Wall Street Journal, the American antiwar movement "was essential to our strategy. Support for the war from our rear [China] was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda . . . gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses."..."<

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