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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Thanks for the anecdotes.

    My point isn't that Ortega is so great (he isn't], my point is that the USA (and other countries] should not interfere with the internal affairs of other nations.
    But other nations were already interfering in Nicaragua, which was the point of the USA 'interfering' also. In fact Iran and Venezuela, under Chavez, were very close to Ortega though I haven't been following it recently.

    The anecdote was only to impart the depth of feeling from those whose families were destroyed and their properties lost under the communists. Of course you can read more anecdotes in The Black Book of Communism, one of the most important books of the last century. Unless you do read it you'll continue to have no idea what you are talking about.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Thanks for the anecdotes.

    My point isn't that Ortega is so great (he isn't], my point is that the USA (and other countries] should not interfere with the internal affairs of other nations.
    Why not? If it's in our interest or it's the right thing to do?
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Why not? If it's in our interest or it's the right thing to do?
    • Because all nations deserve the right of self determination.
    • Because it is immoral to kill people, or otherwise interfere, for "our interests" when it is not self defense.
    • Because "our interests" are probably the interests of politicians and business interests, not the interests of the rest of us.
    • Because as outsiders we are unlikely to know what is best for others.
    • Because history shows that we are likely to be deceptive, heavy handed, arrogant and violent with our interference.
    • Because it is impossible to predict whether it will be for the best.
    • Because we make enemies when we do it, and that makes us less safe.


    In other words, for all the same reasons why no one in our country would want China, or anyone else, interfering in our internal affairs.

    I support using diplomacy to prevent or reduce human rights violations. I support limited use of intelligence to find potential threats. I support using force only for self defense or to stop a genocidal situation.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 11-17-13 at 11:28 PM.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    • Because all nations deserve the right of self determination.
    • Because it is immoral to kill people, or otherwise interfere, for "our interests" when it is not self defense.
    • Because "our interests" are probably the interests of politicians and business interests, not the interests of the rest of us.
    • Because as outsiders we are unlikely to know what is best for others.
    • Because history shows that we are likely to be deceptive, heavy handed, arrogant and violent with our interference.
    • Because it is impossible to predict whether it will be for the best.
    • Because we make enemies when we do it, and that makes us less safe.


    In other words, for all the same reasons why no one in our country would want China, or anyone else, interfering in our internal affairs.

    I support using diplomacy to prevent or reduce human rights violations. I support limited use of intelligence to find potential threats. I support using force only for self defense or to stop a genocidal situation.
    Good for you. That's not the way it works. Countries interfere in each other's affairs all the time.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    • Because all nations deserve the right of self determination.
    • Because it is immoral to kill people, or otherwise interfere, for "our interests" when it is not self defense.
    • Because "our interests" are probably the interests of politicians and business interests, not the interests of the rest of us.
    • Because as outsiders we are unlikely to know what is best for others.
    • Because history shows that we are likely to be deceptive, heavy handed, arrogant and violent with our interference.
    • Because it is impossible to predict whether it will be for the best.
    • Because we make enemies when we do it, and that makes us less safe.


    In other words, for all the same reasons why no one in our country would want China, or anyone else, interfering in our internal affairs.

    I support using diplomacy to prevent or reduce human rights violations. I support limited use of intelligence to find potential threats. I support using force only for self defense or to stop a genocidal situation.
    You've been sucked in, Sonny. There's not a leftist cliche you missed nor one that was accurate.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane'
    Not surprising. Hell... she sounded like our Chief Diplomat John Kerry. Another subversive.

    What might surprise me is if they say, showed support for the troglodytes that beheaded Daniel Pearlman.

    The way Obama has been eager and secretly dealing with the Iranians, only for America to be saved by THE FRENCH... you begin to wonder if Obama is unable to contain the Farrakhan-Wright mentoring, and like a bad container holding nuclear waste, the contempt is beginning to ooze out.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You've been sucked in, Sonny. There's not a leftist cliche you missed nor one that was accurate.
    If you think everything I said is wrong, let's consider the opposite of what I said and see if you like it.


    • No nation deserves the right of self determination.
    • It is moral to kill people, or otherwise interfere, for "our interests" even when it is not self defense.
    • The interests of politicians and big business are exactly the same as the interests of the citizens.
    • As outsiders we know what is best for others.
    • History shows that our interference in other nation's internal affairs is nearly always honest, delicate, culturally and politically sensitive and never violent.
    • It is possible to accurately predict the results of our interference.
    • We make friends with the people in other nations when we interfere in their internal affairs.



    In other words, the people of the USA would welcome China, or anyone else, interfering in our internal affairs.

    I don't support support using diplomacy to prevent or reduce human rights violations.

    I support unlimited use of intelligence operations for any purpose that benefits politicians or business interests.

    I support using force whenever it benefits politicians or business interests."

    Does that really represent your position?

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If you think everything I said is wrong, let's consider the opposite of what I said and see if you like it.


    • No nation deserves the right of self determination.
    • It is moral to kill people, or otherwise interfere, for "our interests" even when it is not self defense.
    • The interests of politicians and big business are exactly the same as the interests of the citizens.
    • As outsiders we know what is best for others.
    • History shows that our interference in other nation's internal affairs is nearly always honest, delicate, culturally and politically sensitive and never violent.
    • It is possible to accurately predict the results of our interference.
    • We make friends with the people in other nations when we interfere in their internal affairs.



    In other words, the people of the USA would welcome China, or anyone else, interfering in our internal affairs.

    I don't support support using diplomacy to prevent or reduce human rights violations.

    I support unlimited use of intelligence operations for any purpose that benefits politicians or business interests.

    I support using force whenever it benefits politicians or business interests."

    Does that really represent your position?
    You do far too much guessing.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Posing for a picture is worthy of death now?
    How about treason?

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Thanks for the anecdotes.

    My point isn't that Ortega is so great (he isn't], my point is that the USA (and other countries] should not interfere with the internal affairs of other nations.
    Every country everywhere interferes in the internal affairs of other nations every day.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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