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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Leftists continue to believe the old anti American propaganda without any perspective or understanding of whats genuinely going on in the world. These are the sort of people who would vote for a Barrack Obama.
    Ah, the old "anyone who would vote for Obama doesn't understand anything." Typical conservative arrogance.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Ah, the old "anyone who would vote for Obama doesn't understand anything." Typical conservative arrogance.
    Yes, it can be interpreted that way for sure, but it is also a fact. Liberals voted for Barrack Obama twice! while conservatives were warning what would happen.

    I can understand, without any sympathy whatsoever, why you would be sensitive.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, it can be interpreted that way for sure, but it is also a fact. Liberals voted for Barrack Obama twice! while conservatives were warning what would happen.

    I can understand, without any sympathy whatsoever, why you would be sensitive.
    Not sensitive, just pointing out that your alleged "independent" status is a bad joke.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Not sensitive, just pointing out that your alleged "independent" status is a bad joke.
    I am an independent. Leftists only understand 'right wing' or 'liberal, forgetting completely about he middle. Just because I believe leftists are fools doesn't mean I am not independent.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I am an independent. Leftists only understand 'right wing' or 'liberal, forgetting completely about he middle. Just because I believe leftists are fools doesn't mean I am not independent.
    All I can think of is the song Stuck in the Middle with You. Yes, we've been completely forgotten about by both of the monopoly parties who seem to trade power from one to another yet nothing ever really changes.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Count me among those who see a great change coming as the federal government takes control of healthcare.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Count me among those who see a great change coming as the federal government takes control of healthcare.
    Yes, it's going to be a red tape nightmare.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Many of those countries you mentioned were a part of the Cold War and what you seem to think was a 'civil war' usually involved help from the USSR. Don't continue to believe the old leftist communist propaganda prior to 1989. Instead read The Black Book of Communism for a genuine history lesson, or the Venona Papers. The Communists excelled only at propaganda.

    Iraq and Afghanistan are involved in a civil war? Between who and whom?



    Leftists continue to believe the old anti American propaganda without any perspective or understanding of whats genuinely going on in the world. These are the sort of people who would vote for a Barrack Obama.
    Although many of those conflicts has communist support for one side, we were not shooting at Russian or Chinese troops. That is why they need to be considered civil wars, they were not invasions.

    Yes, we got into those wars largely because of the cold war, but it was arrogant and wrong of the USA (and right wingers now] to see all internal conflicts in other nations as proxies for the cold war. The USA would support imperialistic domination and brutal and corrupt dictatorships solely because they were not communist. When the people of these countries resisted those oppresive regimes the west would defend the dictators and the only support the resistance could get from outside was from communist nations.

    At the heart of this tendency was the notion that these nations "belonged" to their western colonizers and the business interests that dominated them (ever hear the term "banana republic?"] and/or the people were not capable of self rule. Our paranoia and arrogance often created the communist affiliations that we feared so much.

    Now we are repeating those same mistakes with the "war on terror." Seeing the world as a black and white conflict between commies and capitalists or between Muslim extremists and the west is over simplistic, arrogant, inaccurate and dangerous.

    Both and Iraq and Afghanistan are in turmoil because there are several factions fighting each other and the central government.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Although many of those conflicts has communist support for one side, we were not shooting at Russian or Chinese troops. That is why they need to be considered civil wars, they were not invasions.
    When did the USA invade Nicaragua? When was war declared? What they did was help the Contras (the anti Communists) just as the Russian Communists were helping the Communists in Nicaragua. Luckily for the people the good guys won, and the Nicaraguan people are grateful for that.

    Yes, we got into those wars largely because of the cold war, but it was arrogant and wrong of the USA (and right wingers now] to see all internal conflicts in other nations as proxies for the cold war. The USA would support imperialistic domination and brutal and corrupt dictatorships solely because they were not communist. When the people of these countries resisted those oppresive regimes the west would defend the dictators and the only support the resistance could get from outside was from communist nations.
    Maybe you dont understand the evil f Communism. If being anti Communism is 'right wing' (although any decent person would find it abhorrent) then I would proudly be right wing.

    At the heart of this tendency was the notion that these nations "belonged" to their western colonizers and the business interests that dominated them (ever hear the term "banana republic?"] and/or the people were not capable of self rule. Our paranoia and arrogance often created the communist affiliations that we feared so much.
    This is obviously untrue because that feeling would still be around if that were the case. The US, and other democracies, have often helped nations under seige by an 'ism' and never thought for a moment that they 'belonged' to them. You're just repeating 1970's propaganda here, and should know better.

    Now we are repeating those same mistakes with the "war on terror." Seeing the world as a black and white conflict between commies and capitalists or between Muslim extremists and the west is over simplistic, arrogant, inaccurate and dangerous.
    It was never a war between 'commies and capitalists'; it was a war between totalitarianism and freedom.
    Both and Iraq and Afghanistan are in turmoil because there are several factions fighting each other and the central government.
    Yes, it's all Islamic factions fighting and murdering each other, just as they did, and are doing, in Iraq and elsewhere.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Luckily for the people the good guys won, and the Nicaraguan people are grateful for that.....It was never a war between 'commies and capitalists'; it was a war between totalitarianism and freedom....it's all Islamic factions fighting and murdering each other, just as they did, and are doing, in Iraq and elsewhere.
    The USA funded (mostly illegally] Contra-suported Dictator Somoza and his cohorts were removed from power and resistance leader Daniel Ortega was legitimately elected president more than once.

    You don't win a war against totalitarianism by supporting totalitarian dictatorships. It was a war against communists, not for freedom.

    Since both Iraq and Afghanistan are now almost completely Muslim, any factional fighting would have to be between Islamic factions.

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